Ideas needed ASAP

[JonC]

Shop wise I was thinking something like the Sportsmans Gun Center, or possibly model it on a US store covering outdoors stuff. Bisley would appear to be the only place that could host a large shop. Not something like H&H.


Membership, being a full member would offer me benefits over being a member of an affiliate club, a big one would be the ability to share a lane with members of other clubs. But at the moment I pay my club £100 / year (we only shoot at Bisley). I am also a member of the Countryside Alliance at a further £60 (because I hunt with guns and I also get insurance). I would like to get the benefits of being a full member of the NRA and would also like to support the NRA, but another £70 is pushing the bill up a bit. If I was only after insurance and the ability to shoot at Bisley I could dump the club, dump the CA and just join BASC and use their affiliate club status to book lanes.

How much I would be willing to pay is difficult to say, but my club already covers some of the admin charges, I think they pay the NRA some form of fee for the shooters certificate, etc...

Accommodation for gen public - no principled objection, but we cannot get planning permission, and I suspect that is a given.

Big shop - planning problem again - if it had a direct shooting connection maybe (could we persuade Holland & Holland to move out of central London??), otherwise forget it.

Affiliated members upgrade - interesting - please expand on what would be expected.

Try scheme - has definite possibilities - and yes we have over 100 guns for hire including some interesting early 20th century military arms - I will definitely take that one forward and K can have the credit.

[IainWR]

More 300m ISSF facilities then? And wouldn't it be better to relocate any Olympic legacy out in the regions other than Bisley.

OK you can stand against me in the next NRA election for TR Rep. I am deeply against ISSF and everything it stands for. They write rules that don't need to be written, appoint AND PAY officials we don't need and claim that women need concessions to shoot. I give you Jane Messer, Winner of the NRA Gold Cross for the Grand Aggregate, Captain of Great Britain and finalist (last 10) in the 2011 World Championships. I give you Karen Robertson, British 300m Target Rifle Champion 198something. ISSF - sexist.

Olympic legacy: take anything that's going. I suspect that zero will be going.

I just know I am going to be in trouble for this post, but if the argument stands up it has to be used.

Iain

[IainWR]

The main driver to attract more use for less costs to make the prices more attractive during the week and over much of the low season. Whilst charges are lower during the low season you might benefit from them being even lower. What about making Melville available in the evenings, flood lighted if necessary. Is Melville a no danger area range?

Regrettably, no. And you have hit the nail on the head regarding extending shooting hours. We can use the NDA ranges (which right now we don't have any of) as long as the noise nuisance rules will let us. We cannot use the other ranges (Sticks, Century, Melville, Siberia) unless the military tell us tha the RDA is clear.

Iain

[IainWR]

UKPSA are a bunch of control freaks, they won't let the NRA 'Control' their discipline.

John

And with respect, why should they? It is not an NRA party, NRA have no view either way on the discipline, NRA do not claim to run GB teams in their discipline.

If UKPSA wish to subordinate themselves to NRA I am delighted to discuss the process. But I (and by extension the NRA) make no claim to have the right to control their discipline. We have a disparate and fractured sport. The NRA is in the process of writing a procedure that will identify who sits where. But we make no claim to compel anyone to join us. Our classification of organisations will be published in April. Any organisation who thinks they have national status and wishes to be included can email me with a statement of their position. I have already included every NRA affiliated organisation and everyone else I personally knew of at time of writing.

Iain

[artiglio]

Not wanting to get too bogged down in specific disciplines. Things that would make bisley more appealing to my mind,( you've made reference to the popularity of siberia, this is probably because of the benches,covered points and hut as much as anything else)

Better accomodation (probably touched upon with reference to planning permission)
Covered firing points,
Better toilets
Electronic targets (assuming it could be done cheaper than markers)
Provision for benches other than just siberia

We all understand that funding is an issue but its all a bit "chicken and egg".
Cost to the shooter is obviously a factor, the midweek NRASC shoots i have been to are well supported and great days out, they represent good value.

Though a nightmare to get up and running , would it be possible/feasible to have a part of the website for target sharing, maybe a forum like section where NRA members could post days they would like to shoot and other members could pm to arrange between themselves.

As already suggested an upgrade route for affiliated individual members to be able to book targets, would likely not raise much in membership but increase range use.

all the best phil

[Sandgroper]

What about opening up the ranges and facilities to members of other shooting organisations who provide their members with the appropiate insurance?

For example, if a NRA member pays X then as a member of BASC I would pay X + 15% to shoot.

That way you could more people using the ranges and seeing the benefits of membership etc and maybe opting to take out NRA membership.

If you get enough extras shooting there, you could eventually be in a position to reduce the cost of membership for NRA members or invest more in the outlying areas.

Just a thought.

[Quarters]

F class league based solely at Bisley.
Youth section for children on a Saturday morning.

[Ginger]

I am not sure what your pricing model is for corporate days etc but how about investigating running these events with a lower profit margin to possibly get more people in.

Also how about small group 'open days', like a corporate event covering different displines but at a cheaper price and held once a month or every couple of months. If someone then becomes a member of the NRA then maybe give them a reduction on the probationary course.

Respect the users of the site, it can be a bit 'untidy' and some of the toilet blocks are very basic.

[IainWR]

Classes are Hunters, Ladies, Veterans and Experts. Crossed sticks and aids are provided for all classes apart from Experts where you need to supply your own if indeed they are allowed. To make things interesting you move around in groups and one stand may have a log to act as a rest however it is suspended on ropes so it moves, you are limited in time and you have five other people also shooting at the same time and using the same log as a support. Some targets are exposed on report so first shot is a moving deer at 90m and second shot is something very different at anything from 70m to 230m and the exposure time is very limited so no time to fumble with elevation or tables, you just have the time to shoot..

Targets do not have obvious scoring zones on so you need to know animal anatomy.

Finals in the DK national are the top ten shooters from the above classes. Course of fire is at a deer shaped target without visible scoring zone.

300m prone 5 shots no support
200m Kneeling 5 shots no support
100m standing 5 shots

Final is 5 shots from a prone position in 30 seconds, however you are standing with the rifle on the deck when the buzzer goes so you have to get down, shoot and reload 5 times in the 30 seconds, making sure you are shooting at the right place on your target.

Jagtfeltskydning apeals to all shooters, not just the hunters as anyone with a suitable rifle can shoot, typically in DK they will only allow 6,5mm X something as they are the hunting calibres used but I see no reason why a .308 could not be used either, what they are trying to do is keep everything on level field.

That is a very basic description.........

OK Sounds fun. In my opinion belongs with Sporting Rifle in the NRA Discipline set, therefore I am going to tell the Spor set about it and ask them to consider if/how we want to play. PM me more info to inform the discussion.

Iain

[JonC]

What about opening up the ranges and facilities to members of other shooting organisations who provide their members with the appropiate insurance?

For example, if a NRA member pays X then as a member of BASC I would pay X + 15% to shoot.

I think BASC members can already book lanes, although not sure if they could share with NRA members or members of other clubs. I assume that everybody would need a shooters certification card (or whatever its called), which is an MOD requirement.