VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39

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#31 Post by **safetyfirst** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:37 pm

dromia wrote:I shoot caseless ammunition.

rofl...

Sixshot6 · #32 Post by **Sixshot6** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:38 pm

safetyfirst wrote:
dromia wrote:I shoot caseless ammunition.
rofl...

Took me a while but I guess muzzle loading counts. I thinking of how that was done by HK and Voere and since then nothing....

#33 Post by **snayperskaya** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:57 pm

Sixshot6 wrote:
safetyfirst wrote:
dromia wrote:I shoot caseless ammunition.
rofl...
Took me a while but I guess muzzle loading counts. I thinking of how that was done by HK and Voere and since then nothing....

I believe the Dreyse and Chassepot rifles are breech loaders that use a paper cartridge and are 'caseless' in the conventional sense.I'm sure Dromia will be along soon

Marmite5 · #34 Post by **Marmite5** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:03 am

Whats caseless ammo?

polemass · #35 Post by **polemass** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:15 am

Hard to explain but in short is not for marmite eaters/lovers

polemass · #36 Post by **polemass** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:18 am

But seriously?go for 7.62x39,it is a propper round with heritage,5.56x45 is political fart...

#37 Post by **snayperskaya** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:29 pm

Marmite5 wrote:Whats caseless ammo?

Ammunition with no metallic case.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sourc ... 1fDWwrI8XA

#38 Post by **dromia** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:39 pm

snayperskaya wrote:
Sixshot6 wrote:
Took me a while but I guess muzzle loading counts. I thinking of how that was done by HK and Voere and since then nothing....
I believe the Dreyse and Chassepot rifles are breech loaders that use a paper cartridge and are 'caseless' in the conventional sense.I'm sure Dromia will be along soon

Nothing new in caseless ammunition and not just muzzle loading there are breechloading caseless ammunition, as has been said the needle rifles used a caseless round as did the early Sharps, the Ferguson rifle also breech loaded with powder and ball, then of course you have the muzzleloading cartridges like the Enfield, Brown Bess etc.

Caseless ammunition came before the metallic cartridge, nothing truly new in this shooting world nowadays.

#39 Post by **Sim G** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:35 pm

Walter Hunt's "Rocket Ball" of 1848, in S&Ws Volcanic Pistol....

#40 Post by **Blackstuff** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:49 am

Sim G wrote:Pick the six most local gunshops to you and give them a call. Ask two questions; what factory 7.62x39 ammo do you have in stock, and what factory .223 do you have in stock? Or, what suitable bullets for each....

Thats more or less what i did. And since doing that i've found 2 shops that have cheaper 7.63x39 than i can get .223 for

Still i prefer having a .223 version. As mentioned its a fugly rifle and swathing mine in AR parts has, to my eye, improved its appearance, marginally. I also prefer straight-in-and-out magazine changes rather than the rock-and-lock AK/VZ mags, particularly as the VZ's mag release is tiny (even with the enlargement, and also not ambidextrous).

A few 75rd drum mags would be nice though....

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