US to replace FMJ pistol ammo with Hollow points?

[Sixshot6]

I read a good argument regarding "the rules of war". It was arguing that killing is bad for both parties involved in the war. And I guess applies to why hollow points are frowned upon (also why the Germans tried to have shotguns "trench guns" banned).

If you kill an enemy then the battle continues and the body will be recovered at some point (hollow point).

But if you wound him enough to stop him but also increases chances of survivability (FMJ).

1) He needs to be attended to by medics (1-3 people typically).
2) He needs to be evacuated (god only know how much work this involves).
3) He will use medical resources.
4) He gets home as a billboard for war is bad.
5) He can help rebuild the country once the war is over (we don't want to leave a festering country in tatters look to Afghanistan post soviet involvement).

So actually killing the combatants is in no-ones best interests "Every life lost, is another to avenge".

Not to mention that increasingly daesh are seen wearing body armour.

Just an interesting theory I heard from an economist of all people.

Some of those theories are kinda killed by recent conflicts, Do jihadis really care that much about trying to save wounded comrades with a concepts like Suicide bombings? Those theories partly rest on fighting a conventional war and I'd argue Vietnam put to bed the notion we'd have another one of those ever again.

[snayperskaya]

"5) He can help rebuild the country once the war is over (we don't want to leave a festering country in tatters look to Afghanistan post soviet involvement)".....

So Afghanistan isn't a festering country in tatters post US/British involvement???, as far as I'm aware the Taliban are still there and the country is still a mess!?.

Perhaps the Soviets would have made a better job of it if the CIA hadn't flooded the country with arms for the Mujahideen, that move certainly came back to bite them on the ass when the Taliban got hold of them.

[Sixshot6]

[quote="snayperskaya"]"5) He can help rebuild the country once the war is over (we don't want to leave a festering country in tatters look to Afghanistan post soviet involvement)".....

So Afghanistan isn't a festering country in tatters post US/British involvement???, as far as I'm aware the Taliban are still there and the country is still a mess!?.

Perhaps the Soviets would have made a better job of it if the CIA hadn't flooded the country with arms for the Mujahideen, that move certainly came back to bite them on the ass when the Taliban got hold of them.[/quote

Try biting them on the ass and leaving a festering septic wound. The Middle east as a whole and parts of the sub continent are mess and in fire, partly from us (Afghanistan) and partly as a result of their own way of life (Pakistan). The bits that aren't our fault, aren't our fault (despite what some will say) and the bits that are, we need to stop prodding at that wound or else it will get even more infected and die.

[ordnance]

So actually killing the combatants is in no-ones best interests "Every life lost, is another to avenge".

Wounded soldiers can still fight and kill you, so having them dead could save your life.

[Sixshot6]

So actually killing the combatants is in no-ones best interests "Every life lost, is another to avenge".

Wounded soldiers can still fight and kill you, so having them dead could save your life.

Dead men don't do owt after they're dead, apart from weekend at Bernie's.

[Lead-Fouling]

I actually meant Afghanistan *was* in tatters and festering.

Also I'm sure some Jihadi's would leave the wounded but I bet the vast majority wouldn't.
Can't say I've researched what behaviour they've shown.

But yes, I guess the rules apply more to WWI and WWII at near total war between "civilised" people. I actually have no formal teaching in the subject, I once read the art of war by Sun Zhu and it bored my pants off.

[Blu]

Perhaps the Soviets would have made a better job of it if the CIA hadn't flooded the country with arms for the Mujahideen,

You mean using the Soviet tactics of indiscriminate killing, destroying suspect villages and the planting of millions of land mines? Nah I don't think so.

[snayperskaya]

Perhaps the Soviets would have made a better job of it if the CIA hadn't flooded the country with arms for the Mujahideen,

You mean using the Soviet tactics of indiscriminate killing, destroying suspect villages and the planting of millions of land mines? Nah I don't think so.

Can I point you to a book called Afgantsy: The Russians in Afghanistan 1979-89 by Rodric Braithwaite.It is widely regarded as the definitive account of the Soviet-Afghan conflict and it dispels many of the Cold Wars myths surrounding the conflict and is considered to be essential reading to anyone contemplating a military operation in Afghanistan.I would ask you to take the time to read a copy, trust me it's worth it, and then come back to me on the "Soviet tactics of indiscriminate killing" and "destroying suspect villages".

[froggy]

Makes me think a the alleged story of the Pope Urban banning the use of crossbows agst Christians because it was deem to be such a devastating & terrifying weapon at the time. It's use against the muslims on the other hand, was perfectly legitimate & encouraged ...

[Blu]

and then come back to me on the "Soviet tactics of indiscriminate killing" and "destroying suspect villages".

Hmm think I prefer the testimony of the some 4 million people displaced by the Soviet invasion, people such as doctors, lawyers as well as farmers and shepherds.

If their testimony isn't good enough for you then there is also the The Paris based Medecins sans Frontiers which operated six hospitals inside Afghanistan, Its executive director, Dr. Claude Malhuret, charges that

the Soviets have deliberately bombed and destroyed hospitals run by the European group, and routinely drop anti-personnel mines designed to maim rather than kill--because "an injured person is much more trouble (to the guerrillas) than a dead person.

The French doctor confirms that Soviet helicopters drop booby-trapped toys, in most cases plastic pens or small red trucks. In his words, "Their main targets are children whose hands and arms are blown off."

On top of all that I have my very own ex Soviet Para Lieutenant (later Captain) who served four tours in Afghanistan and whom I call friend. Believe me, I've heard it straight from the horses mouth from someone who was there. Compared to the Soviets, the Yanks and other NATO forces are a model of civility.