Historic NRA CSR 4th April 2015

[Strangely Brown]

on another note reference CSR , would I be able to shoot CSR with my 308 with 10rd aics mags or my sako 75 in 223(both scoped) with detachable mags or do I need a straight pull black rifle? I understand that I may be at a disadvantage but it does sound like the sort of comp I want to try?

As per Johns reply above.
I have been shooting an AI AE in CSR and a No.4 before that.

In fact a slow repairing shoulder injury may see me back with the No.4 this year.

[Maggot]

It would appear so from the Entry Form, in the last match only one P14 was used whilst there were far more Enfields entered where the SMLE, No.4 and No.5 were all in the same class together; incidentally the P14 was also in the same class as the Enfields.

I suppose the rationale this time is to cater for those that actually bothered to show up and shoot and not those that wanted every type of pre-1955 service rifle to be catered but failed to turn up in any significant number.

thank you for that clarification, it seems the NRA has difficulty amending all the documents so that they agree with each other ?

No they dont

They just dont want foreign muck cluttering the ranges up and buggering the neighbourhood up

After all.....nobody ever screws up with an enfield...aledgedly.....

Borrow mine....I wont hit anything with it anyway!!

[Maggot]

On another note reference CSR , would I be able to shoot CSR with my 308 with 10rd AICS mags or my Sako 75 in 223(both scoped) with detachable mags or do I need a straight pull black rifle? I understand that I may be at a disadvantage but it does sound like the sort of comp I want to try?

Both would be suitable.

You could shoot a P14 in Historic Class (that is the normal League amd Imperial Class where you are shooting the same matches as SO and PO) but you would be at a significat disadvantage.

Amen to that, and I cheated with spare mags.

You dont get any longer exposure wise in CSR than anyone else, and the AR straightpulls cycle quick as and are much quicker on target, irons or optics. The CSR AR is a compact little piece and that in itself can create a challenge.

I really enjoyed the No4 shooting CSR, then looked at the round count and how few were shooting them and joined the mainstream SO lot. After F class it has taught/reminded me (thats the really embarassing bit) a hell of a lot.

One missfeed even with a 10 round mag and you are stuffed, and not shooting the full practice was fairly common for me.

Still got to love the No4 though, it is a genuine service rifle and deserves to be used, and shooting it well is a real challenge many dont even want to try....no bipod, no bag, no sub half minute accuracy.... I guess the reason the NRA did this was to rationalise. I cannot speak of what John says as I was not there, but there do seem to be a lot of the "Peoples judean front" and "Peoples popular front of judea" springing up to create new and minority classes.

The phoenix is a case in point. Loads or classes, probably too many to count and administer for.

This is a good thing because it opens up the field to all/most (CSR does this in a way) but it also causes a lot of admin headaches I would think.

If you try to simplify things, folk will just cry foul and either (right or wrong) vote with their feet, or create an action group!! Difficult

[Maggot]

Blimey, I will go to hell in a hand cart for this but looking at the COF I cannot see why they could not have allowed any 30cal (or less) as issued service rifle (with irons).

Its not even as though the peep sight users would benefit as the targets aint round.

My point being that each COF is 2 & 5, so easily achievable with a 5 round mag and would allow Arisaka, Kar, P14, Smidt and all the other period bone shakers....

I fully support the comp and the people making the decisions, and its a bit late now, and I am not privy to why these decisions have been made, but it does seem a bit odd that its been so restricted, particular as these rifles would have been competing against each other in their heyday....just the targets fell when hit

[John MH]

'If you build it they will come'

Sadly they didn't come so there you have it.

[kennyc]

'If you build it they will come'

Sadly they didn't come so there you have it.

I and I assume others ,didn't even know about the last competition until after it was held, totally my fault for not spending time mooching around the NRA website,but honestly life is too short for that clunky contraption!
where exactly is the problem in allowing any .30 cal service rifle to shoot? other than the "them and us" attitude engendered by a vocal minority? unless there is a proven safety issue or a proven superiority of one make over another then they should all be able to shoot side by side without the need for separate classes to create a mire of admin work.

[John MH]

Not my match so I don't know, Historic CSR was not invented by me ask those that did invent it.

The Trafalgar caters of all to odds and sods doesn't it?

[kennyc]

Not my match so I don't know, Historic CSR was not invented by me ask those that did invent it.

The Trafalgar caters of all to odds and sods doesn't it?

perhaps when they comment on it as much as you, I will ask them.

[John MH]

They are unlikely to, they invented it and then scarpered off.

[toffe wrapper]

tackb

As we spoke on range yesterday. I've entered so if you wan to we can both use my No4. Also checked cof could easily run this type of cof at club as a comp.