Report into Kingsbury Incident

[dromia]

So it is an ad hoc communication arrangement then?

I know as much as you do as to the frequency of emails but I do look at the website and Facebook page every day . . .

No doubt as a Bisley user then visiting the website regularly is something that benefits you, most of the time it is has little relevance for me to visit that is why an email prompt when something of national significance goes up would be helpful to those of us that don't have a need to visit the site regularly on the off chance of finding something of relevance.

[Blackstuff]

Do you think the club members who only had the club where the incident took place as their 'good reason' where given an exemption from the Police for not using their guns for a year? Or maybe were they just expected to join another club/attend as a guest while the investigation was ongoing?

[25Pdr]

Do you think the club members who only had the club where the incident took place as their 'good reason' where given an exemption from the Police for not using their guns for a year? Or maybe were they just expected to join another club/attend as a guest while the investigation was ongoing?

Good point...

In one of the recent accidents mentioned, although the relevant Club was not banned, the shooter behind the Rifle has been banned from his Club pending the outcome of the investigation. No doubt he is looking forward to a speedy conclusion of the investigation.

Maybe seem a bit harsh, but who would feel comfortable shooting alongside him just now.

[Maggot]

Do you think the club members who only had the club where the incident took place as their 'good reason' where given an exemption from the Police for not using their guns for a year? Or maybe were they just expected to join another club/attend as a guest while the investigation was ongoing?

A good reason then to join the NRA so you can shoot elsewhere while its sorted "and" have it recorded

You can also shoot with other clubs at the NSC without any hassle.

The NRA is a good organisation on the whole, just a bit stuck in the past in places with some prejudices that need kicking into touch.

[dromia]

A good reason then to join the NRA so you can shoot elsewhere while its sorted "and" have it recorded

How does that work then?

[Mezzer]

difficult to use web site.

Whats difficult about noticing a link in the centre of the home page that is under the heading "Recent NRA News"?

A system where a 'safety' alert needs to be passed quickly prior to full formal investigation already exists as per the recent issue with a Rangemaster .50cal.

Could be better though and remember not everyone is an NRA member nor do they all use the internet.

What's difficult about placing a link in the centre of the home page entitled Firearm Incident Report July 2013
Plain speech is good.

Mezzer

[Maggot]

A good reason then to join the NRA so you can shoot elsewhere while its sorted "and" have it recorded

How does that work then?

Well, the way I see it is this.

IF your club gets a ban, and you as an individual have done nothing wrong (so are not banned from NRA ranges) you are being punished by association. If you are an NRA member you can go and shoot at the NSC (if it suits).

On the other hand you may not want to, or it may not be practical, but contrary to what some believe, you wont get Typhus or sell your soul to the devil if you do.

If you book in on the system, it is still recorded (as it would have been with your club).

So there is an option for some.

[dromia]

So shoot at bisley, I assure you that if it was within decent travelling distance I would still be shooting there.

There is the rub though it is only a reasonable option for those who live within bisleys catchment so a local solution.

Far easier surely just to drop in with other local clubs as a guest, they may or may not shoot at bisley depending on location, no need to join the NRA for that alone.

I suspect most plod licensing offices would accept that 'till the outcome of the investigation.

[DaveB]

[quote="Maggot] I must admit I don't like the word "Likely" cause, but if you cannot reach "A" cause, its the next best thing.
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I have conducted dozens of technical ammunition accident investigations. It is relatively rare that you get a case where you can prove absolutely what happened - a 'most likely' cause is often the best you can conclude.

[kennyc]

A good reason then to join the NRA so you can shoot elsewhere while its sorted "and" have it recorded

How does that work then?

Well, the way I see it is this.

IF your club gets a ban, and you as an individual have done nothing wrong (so are not banned from NRA ranges) you are being punished by association. If you are an NRA member you can go and shoot at the NSC (if it suits).

On the other hand you may not want to, or it may not be practical, but contrary to what some believe, you wont get Typhus or sell your soul to the devil if you do.

If you book in on the system, it is still recorded (as it would have been with your club).

So there is an option for some.

interesting point that M'lud, if you are a member of a banned club, are you not then a banned person? if the ban is purely for the club, then I fail to see the point, as there would appear to be nothing to stop the same individual rocking up to the firing line as a member of another non banned club? I am also not particularly comfortable with the precedent that has been set, that the club can in effect be closed for good (not all clubs have access to multiple ranges) for a year while an investigation into what may be a one off incident meanders down the lane for a year or so.Especially when at best you end up with an ambiguous conclusion ("we know the rifle split, and shows signs of excess pressure, however we can find no evidence of a cause for such an excess, so we are going with our best guess") sorry if I have paraphrased that incorrectly, however thats how it read to me as a lay person.