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tackb

Re: 5.56x45 vs 7.62x39 ?

#21 Post by tackb »

saddler wrote:
dave_303 wrote:... just spent a little time reading on the Battle of Kolwezi, that was one ballsy operation. :goodjob:
Aye...it's amazing how good the French military can be, when they get foreigners to do the fighting for them... tongueout
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: signfunnypost
froggy

Re: 5.56x45 vs 7.62x39 ?

#22 Post by froggy »

Re- Ratty ,

Well ... at least it was our choice to go for it, under our flag with our officers & NCO's ...
Guess that makes a change you would not understand from being told by some US dude What... When & How do do it ... :55:

O:-)
Blu

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#23 Post by Blu »

Froggy,
Well ... at least it was our choice to go for it, under our flag with our officers & NCO's ...
Given that 10% of the Legions Officers are from the the ranks and it's NCO's are all from the ranks (read foreign) that's debatable. Fighting under the French flag I'll grant you.
Guess that makes a change you would not understand from being told by some US dude What... When & How do do it ... :55:
Do you mean the way the French troops in Afghanistan are taking their orders from the yanks? The French in Afghanistan are deployed as either ISAF under NATO which is commanded by a yank under a UN mandate, or they are deployed under OP Enduring freedom again commanded by the yanks. :55:

Blu :twisted:
froggy

Re: 5.56x45 vs 7.62x39 ?

#24 Post by froggy »

Blu,

Couple of points :
a) the overwhelming majority of officers are French out of St Cyr,
b) The vast majority of Swiss and Belgium legionnaires have never set foot there,
c) the majority of NCO are French,

The reason the REP jumped, was simply down to the African alert rota, which is split between the 2 REP, 3 & 7 RPima and now 1 RCP. To be correct the 1st unit to jump on Kolwesy was the 13 RDP one wekk prior.


Granted. Sarko is a lackey & probably deserves to be hang from a lamp post for joining Nato ...
ISAF was "officially" a UN mission but will probably go down in history as a Western but mainly as a US defeat. Yes France took part in it, but out of choice, as an sovereign nation not because the Washington dude said so and the Prime minister, as for the last 40 years, just took its orders ...
Blu

Re: 5.56x45 vs 7.62x39 ?

#25 Post by Blu »

froggy wrote:Blu,

Couple of points :
a) the overwhelming majority of officers are French out of St Cyr,
b) The vast majority of Swiss and Belgium legionnaires have never set foot there,
c) the majority of NCO are French,

The reason the REP jumped, was simply down to the African alert rota, which is split between the 2 REP, 3 & 7 RPima and now 1 RCP. To be correct the 1st unit to jump on Kolwesy was the 13 RDP one wekk prior.


Granted. Sarko is a lackey & probably deserves to be hang from a lamp post for joining Nato ...
ISAF was "officially" a UN mission but will probably go down in history as a Western but mainly as a US defeat. Yes France took part in it, but out of choice, as an sovereign nation not because the Washington dude said so and the Prime minister, as for the last 40 years, just took its orders ...
a) the overwhelming majority of officers are French out of St Cyr,
Never said otherwise, I stated that 10% of Legion Officers are from the ranks therefore your statement of "led by French Officers" is debatable because at that period in time discussed, French citizens could not join unless they did so with forged documents stating they were not French
b) The vast majority of Swiss and Belgium legionnaires have never set foot there,
I never mentioned nationality of those chosen from the ranks to attend officer training, so where does that come from? As I said 10% of Legion Officers come from the ranks and they aren't all French.
c) the majority of NCO are French,
Not true, The NCO's of the Foreign Legion like most professional military bodies are promoted on merit and not nationality. Only 25% of legionnaires will become the Non-Commissioned Officers. All NCOs in the Legion start as simple legionnaires. Now unless the majority of the Legionnaires today are French what you say is wrong unless the French are stacking the NCO cadres with Frenchmen which I doubt very much given the Legions long and proud traditions as well as their professionalism.

10% of Legion Officers started their career as simple legionnaires and work up through the ranks as long as they have attained the rank of Sergeant or above and have a university degree. Believe it or not Froggy there are guys in the Legion today who had degrees when they joined.
ISAF was "officially" a UN mission but will probably go down in history as a Western but mainly as a US defeat.
No, ISAF is a NATO mission tasked with UN approval and NATO is commanded by an American. But hey Western or US defeat, France is a part of that defeat mate and the French still took their orders from the yanks both as ISAF troops and Enduring Freedom troops so bang goes your theory of "we don't take orders from the yanks.
Granted. Sarko is a lackey & probably deserves to be hang from a lamp post for joining Nato ...
Hey mate no one forced France to rejoin NATO at the Strasbourg/Kehl Summit and they are free to leave any time they want. Be a pity if they do though given the professionalism of their Armed Forces, especially the men of the Foreign Legion.

Blu :twisted:
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Re: 5.56x45 vs 7.62x39 ?

#26 Post by dave_303 »

Just as a quick aside, this is an interesting article on the French in Afghanistan that I friend linked to me awhile ago.
http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2013/07 ... ench-army/
froggy

Re: 5.56x45 vs 7.62x39 ?

#27 Post by froggy »

Blu,

Officially all basic recruits are foreigner. In practice, 25 % of all recruits are French assuming a Belgium or Swiss nationality, nothing is "forged", that is simply the way it is, as always been and will be.

The Legion is lead by French officers out of St Cyr and yes there are exceptions and some Legionaires manage to make it to the rank of officers but it remains rare exceptions.

The NCO are a mix bag of foreign & French national. The majority of NCO are French. The Legion does not work like any other army as it takes already on average 6 + years to reach caporal-chef.

All NCOs in the Legion start as simple legionnaires
With all due respect Blu, this is absolute non-sense.
After St Maixent (NCO school) the best French candidates can choose the Legion directly.
Furthermore, all NCO in the French army move back and forward between units including the Legion. Very typically in an airborne unit, my basic training was conducted by a French ex-Legionnaire that had started his career in a RCP. Then in unit, quite a few of our NCO & officers, of course all French, had served in the Legion. Simple.
Blu

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#28 Post by Blu »

Froggy, I'll get back to you on this. I am awaiting some information being emailed to me. Judging by what I have garnered so far, and since the Legion was incorporated into the French Army, it looks like we are both correct to a degree.

Blu :twisted:
sconie

Re: 5.56x45 vs 7.62x39 ?

#29 Post by sconie »

For christ sake... Get a room you two..... :lol:
froggy

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#30 Post by froggy »

Correct - For G*d sake, this was a humour post about a cartoon page that cracked me up :cool2:
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