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Re: Labour: gun applicants must "prove suitability"

#21 Post by Mezzer »

phaedra1106 wrote:Absolute cr@p!

She should try putting the blame where it actually lies, Bird, Atherton, Ryan, Hamilton etc. ALL had no business being granted an FAC in the first place. Athertons own FEO recommended he not have his guns returned yet was overruled by one of the most incompetent police licensing departments in the UK.

Put the blame on the police for not applying the law or Home Office guidelines with any uniformity, every police forces licensing department enforces the law and guidelines differently, sometimes with tragic results.

The quote from the coroner ""The Durham Coroner, the Independent Police Complaints Commission and the Home Affairs Select Committee have all proposed tougher rules to prevent people with a history of drug or alcohol abuse, mental illness and violence – especially domestic violence – from acquiring firearms licenses""

These rules are already in place and are applied correctly by many police forces but not all, Durham has an appalling record concerning firearms and it was that departments failing that resulted in the Horden shootings. If they had followed the law and H.O. guidance Atherton would never have been given his firearms back in the first place.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!

With respect mate, we've heard this all before and the truth is .... nobody gives a rat's ar*e! WE are the bad guys because WE'Ve got the guns and that's all Joe Public and these political gain-seeking neanderthals in government need to impose even harsher conditions upon US every time somebody charged with the responsibility to administer THEIR system of firearms ownership fails ... ****

As the Viking (pardon my familiarity) states further down the thread, where is our champion?

Where is our voice and who will look after OUR interests and highlight where basic system administration failures have resulted in some of the massacres inflicted upon innocent people in our country? Bereaved parents and partners have a right to know who was responsible for allowing a lunatic to keep his / her firearms when it is clear that under the firearm ownership provisions, they should have been disarmed. Phaedra, I totally agree with you on that particular point.

Lets also not forget that it isn't organisations that make these decisions, but individuals! We shouldn't be afraid to point the finger otherwise the perception of us as gun-toting potential mass-murderers will never go away and I for one am not prepared to bend over for a shafting every time some one fails to do the job for which they are paid. Don't let them hide.

Phew ... calm down Mezzer!
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Re: Labour: gun applicants must "prove suitability"

#22 Post by Blu »

Okay here's an idea. Now I'm not saying it'll work or if you'll even get an answer let alone the one you want to hear or read. You could get in contact with the US NRA and explain that because of the situation in the UK, shooters need an organisation that will fight for their rights rather than just sending out strongly worded letters or making telly appearances and leaving it at that. Hey I'm not saying they will help but on the other hand they may be able to give you some pointers in getting started. Nothing to lose from it and everything to gain.

Hey just a thought, please don't bangbang for it.

Blu :twisted:
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Re: Labour: gun applicants must "prove suitability"

#23 Post by Mr_Logic »

Why doesn't the UK NRA just get cracking?! We need to put differences aside and put propaganda out there. That's what is done to us and since we are losing the battle I conclude it works.
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Re: Labour: gun applicants must "prove suitability"

#24 Post by Sim G »

Right, rant mode on good and proper for I am right royally pi$$ed off with these sort of people attempting to make political gain off my back!

Diana Johnson who is she? Simple, a low level MP looking at building castles in the sky on the back of any ol' bollox!

Honestly, the NRA, BASC, CA, CPSA or even the bloody WI aren't going to make a ha'penny's worth of difference to Johnson. So I say, it's time we got "direct" with these people who are trying to destroy our sport/heritage and confiscate our possessions...

As said, Diana Johnson, who is she? And that's what we find out. She was a barrister and formerly a councellor on the Tower Hamlets authority (what a debacle that local government is!) She's been a member of the London Assembly and an MP since 2005. In the 2010 election she was returned to her seat with a majority of only 641!

This is what we do. Put the word out on social media that we need all instances of when Johnson has either been crass, stupid, dishonest or inept. We need every shooter in her constituency to write to her and pledge that she does not have their support. We need gun clubs in those areas to host events for her opponents, not her. Freeze her out of the debate, show exactly what her "suitability" is to even pass such an opinion and the one that will really bite into her is, try our level best to have her lose the next election based solely on this issue.

It's about time we got right in their faces, or just surrender our guns. There have been no atrocities of late, she is skewing the figures herself, but, she has laid out her stall and that of a future Labour government. She needs showning exactly for what she is....
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Re: Labour: gun applicants must "prove suitability"

#25 Post by Gaz »

Mr_Logic wrote:Why doesn't the UK NRA just get cracking?! We need to put differences aside and put propaganda out there. That's what is done to us and since we are losing the battle I conclude it works.
I've stuck a feeler out to see if I can rebut this nonsense. Probably won't work. Wonder if Mike Yardley or someone could do the honours?
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Re: Labour: gun applicants must "prove suitability"

#26 Post by tackb »

Who assesses their suitability to check we are suitable ?
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#27 Post by dave_303 »

Sim G wrote:Right, rant mode on good and proper for I am right royally pi$$ed off with these sort of people attempting to make political gain off my back!

Diana Johnson who is she? Simple, a low level MP looking at building castles in the sky on the back of any ol' bollox!

Honestly, the NRA, BASC, CA, CPSA or even the bloody WI aren't going to make a ha'penny's worth of difference to Johnson. So I say, it's time we got "direct" with these people who are trying to destroy our sport/heritage and confiscate our possessions...

As said, Diana Johnson, who is she? And that's what we find out. She was a barrister and formerly a councellor on the Tower Hamlets authority (what a debacle that local government is!) She's been a member of the London Assembly and an MP since 2005. In the 2010 election she was returned to her seat with a majority of only 641!

This is what we do. Put the word out on social media that we need all instances of when Johnson has either been crass, stupid, dishonest or inept. We need every shooter in her constituency to write to her and pledge that she does not have their support. We need gun clubs in those areas to host events for her opponents, not her. Freeze her out of the debate, show exactly what her "suitability" is to even pass such an opinion and the one that will really bite into her is, try our level best to have her lose the next election based solely on this issue.

It's about time we got right in their faces, or just surrender our guns. There have been no atrocities of late, she is skewing the figures herself, but, she has laid out her stall and that of a future Labour government. She needs showning exactly for what she is....
+1 on that Sim, I've been fairly active as it stands on this matter, I know it will be to no end, however, I still intend to make a stand. I've sent letters to both my MP and my PCC and currently drafting a more in-depth letter to Mrs Johnson.
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#28 Post by Blu »

SimG,
This is what we do. Put the word out on social media that we need all instances of when Johnson has either been crass, stupid, dishonest or inept. We need every shooter in her constituency to write to her and pledge that she does not have their support. We need gun clubs in those areas to host events for her opponents, not her. Freeze her out of the debate, show exactly what her "suitability" is to even pass such an opinion and the one that will really bite into her is, try our level best to have her lose the next election based solely on this issue.
Okay mate now don't be jumping all over me for what I am about to write.

I think you're wrong. You write "We need every shooter in her constituency to write to her and pledge that she does not have their support."

Okay what if there are only a couple of dozen shooters in her constituency, you seriously think she's going to give a toss about a couple of dozen people?

"We need gun clubs in those areas to host events for her opponents, not her."

Which area's? Her area? Are there any ranges/clubs in Tower Hamlets? Simon you could invite her opposition for a day out shooting at say Bisley, now keep in mind they are politicians, they'll have their day, shake your hand, make all the right noises and then go back to London and the next day it's forgotten about. The b'stards will probably even claim expenses for the day out.

If you guys want to defeat these people then you 1. have to organize 2. Forget targeting individual MP's, you have to target the whole fecking House of Commons and if that means doing it through the courts then so be it. IIRC the highest legal challenge that can be mounted is through the House of Lords, am I right? Hey how many of those toffs are shooters?

The way I see it mate, you're doing it piecemeal going after individuals, shoot one down and another pops up. You have to go after the whole rotten nest of them, challenge them in court if that's what it takes

Let me ask a couple of questions here if I may.

1. When you guys lost your pistols, was there any sort of legal challenge made in the courts?

2. When you lost your semi auto rifles, any legal challenge made?

3. The BS that's going on in Scotland right now over air rifles, any legal challenge there?

Anyone, answer those three questions for me before I write any more.

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Re: Labour: gun applicants must "prove suitability"

#29 Post by Sandgroper »

Blu wrote:
3. The BS that's going on in Scotland right now over air rifles, any legal challenge there?

Anyone, answer those three questions for me before I write any more.

Blu :twisted:
Blu,
BASC is challenging the Scottish Govt over airguns. They've had a couple of victories with the Public Petitions Committee and the Regulatory Review Group in Scotland, but realistically this nothing more than making the Govt jump through hoops until they finalise the legislation. IMO, I don't think there is any legal basis to challenge the proposed airgun licensing system because that's all it is - proposed.

I'm not complacent about this but I think we are in a "phoney way" situation at the moment with nothing concrete happening currently. The problem is the Govt holds the whip hand and while BASC (I can't speak for other organisations I'm not a member of) is putting up a good fight, the Govt is content to let this drag on because it will a useful diversion if (when) the polls start to look bad for Independence and a stick to beat the Unionist parties with.

Just my perception.
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Re: Labour: gun applicants must "prove suitability"

#30 Post by Blu »

Mr_Logic.
We need to put differences aside and put propaganda out there
Propaganda, lies and deceit are what the antis use, you counter it with the truth. The thing about propaganda mate is it can be shot full of holes by the truth, the truth is the only thing you ever use, the truth can't be defeated.

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