Educate me on Enfields

Pre 1945 action rifles. Muzzle loading.

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Educate me on Enfields

#1 Post by AHPP »

What do I (think I) know about Enfields? Not much:
No. 4s are the WW2 ones that every Tom, Dick and Harry has.
No. 1s are the WW1 ones with less barrel sticking out the front and the rear sight on the barrel.
No. 5s are the ones with the Star Wars muzzle attachments.

What's out there? Brief potted history please.
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#2 Post by Watcher »

There is so much to know my son....and this is a good place to start:

http://www.enfieldrifles.ca/main.htm
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#3 Post by Gaz »

No.1 Mk.1 - the original Long Lee Enfield rifle.
No.1 Mk.III - World War One and inter-war variant. Also issued for the first part of WW2 to British forces and throughout the war for the Australians.
No.2 Mk. IV - .22" version of the above.
No.3 - also known as the P14.
No.4 - as you said. Built in quantity from 1940/41 onwards.
No.5 - tropicalised version of the No.4. Shorter barrel and woodwork, flash hider, and lightening cuts in the receiver.
No.6 - dunno.
No.7 - Canadian .22 version of the No.4.
No.8 - .22 trainer based on the No.5. Same lightening cuts etc to receiver, but .22 barrel and no flash hider/bayonet lugs etc.
No.9 - RAF version of the No.7. Same basic function, slightly different bolt/magazine setup.

I'm probably wrong on a few of the pre-No.4 versions.
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#4 Post by AHPP »

Two great starts. Thanks. sign92
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#5 Post by meles meles »

Pull up a sandbag ooman and sit down.

*coughs*

"In the beginning was the Lee Metford, a combination of the action of the hallowed James Paris Lee and the rifling of William Ellis Metford, firing a black powder cartridge and, yea verily, it was good. It began to replace the Martini Henry and acquitted itself admirably in numerous colonial skirmishes. However, the War Office decided the time had come to change to smokeless cartridges and small pointy bullets thus requiring a different kind of rifling more able to withstand the hotter propellants and faster bullets. The Royal Arsenal at Enfield developed a new rifling and lo, the Lee-Enfield came to pass. Verily it was good. So good in fact that it went on to become one third of the Holy Trinity: the Lee-Enfield rifle, Vickers heavy machine gun and Webley .455 revolver. Whilst the Holy Trinity were in service the King slept soundly, the Empire was safe and foreigners knew their place..."

That's all you need to know 'bout it, ooman.



Number 6 ? That's the one currently in service with the Badger Battalions we're raising ready for the day you bald monkeys try to start The Cull.. It's a No.5, so nice and pawdy for firing from tunnels, but re-chambered for the 7.62x39 round - quite an excellent monkey dropper at the short ranges we'll be facing in the Wet and Windy Wild Wood. 75 round AKM drum mags fit it so we'll have plenty of firepower...
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#6 Post by Dave 101 »

Heres a couple sites worth looking at

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/philqgbr/enfield.html

http://www.rifleman.org.uk/

Dont forget the Long Lee .


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#7 Post by Sandgroper »

http://www.enfieldrifles.ca/ri13.htm
The No6 Rifle was the result of Australia’s attempt to address the call for a shortened and lightened rifle. This demand was generated when the focus of World War Two shifted from Europe to the tropical confines of the South Pacific and it was decided that a lighter and more compact rifle was needed to navigate the jungle terrain in this theater. As it has been previously mentioned in the No5 Rifle and Canadian Lightweight Rifle pages, when this request was tabled England, Canada and Australia each began more or less independent projects to satisfy the requirement. Three very different results were the outcome of these projects and on this page it is the Australian version that is highlighted.

Whereas the UK and Canada focused there efforts on modifying a No4 type rifle to carbine dimensions, Australia having continued with production of the No1 rifle, never adopting the No4, sought to modify the No1 type rifle.
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#8 Post by AHPP »

More thanks. Lots to read.
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#9 Post by Sandgroper »

meles meles wrote: Number 6 ? That's the one currently in service with the Badger Battalions we're raising ready for the day you bald monkeys try to start The Cull.. It's a No.5, so nice and pawdy for firing from tunnels, but re-chambered for the 7.62x39 round - quite an excellent monkey dropper at the short ranges we'll be facing in the Wet and Windy Wild Wood. 75 round AKM drum mags fit it so we'll have plenty of firepower...
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I think Blu might be right...you could well be a mole!

So is your "no6" really an AIA? :-P
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#10 Post by Porcupine »

Sandgroper wrote:http://www.enfieldrifles.ca/ri13.htm
The No6 Rifle was the result of Australia’s attempt to address the call for a shortened and lightened rifle. This demand was generated when the focus of World War Two shifted from Europe to the tropical confines of the South Pacific and it was decided that a lighter and more compact rifle was needed to navigate the jungle terrain in this theater. As it has been previously mentioned in the No5 Rifle and Canadian Lightweight Rifle pages, when this request was tabled England, Canada and Australia each began more or less independent projects to satisfy the requirement. Three very different results were the outcome of these projects and on this page it is the Australian version that is highlighted.

Whereas the UK and Canada focused there efforts on modifying a No4 type rifle to carbine dimensions, Australia having continued with production of the No1 rifle, never adopting the No4, sought to modify the No1 type rifle.
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There is another completely different No. 6 rifle also, a .22 made by BSA during WW2.

There is also the L8 series (post-war 7.62x54), L42 (a sniper variant of the same), AIA and Armalon new builds in various calibers, and the Ishapore 2A series (7.62x54 made in India)... Not to forget the De Lisle (integrally silenced carbine in .45 ACP) which also has a couple of companies making modern reproductions.
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