FB TR Score Sheets

[Griff]

This is usually of great debate in the FB world and lots of people either want elements of certain score sheets combined with others or want sections put in different places to make the way they plot scoresheets easier.

Anyone want to add their gripes or compliments, wants or desires? heh heh heh

I'll go first....

I want a score sheet like the RAF but with a column for True Wind (not just Estimated), the elevation / wind / call / score on the left hand side of the sheet AS WELL AS the Elevation Graph. A bit nouveaux but I would prefer to have all of those sections on the left side of the sheet. I know people rarely use a true wind column (only ever seen on CCRS scoresheets) but in variable windy conditions find that reading numbers can be more helpful than reading graphs. (I know. just weird )


Can anyone design me one????

[ovenpaa]

My problem is filling it all in at the same time as concentrating on shooting. I dilligantly log by number my elevation changes and may convert it to graph once I have finished the detail. Wind... Hmm ever so important however I for the most only note changes to the base number and then convert to graph if it is sufficiently interesting and then only ususally a couple of days later. I do appreciate I should be doing this as I shoot on the point but being quite honest I feel like I have so many things happening and it is just another distraction.

Being right handed I prefer the columns to be to the right hand side so I am not smudging the plot as I write. Also call of shot is interesting, if I aim off I take the shot, then place the pencil where I was aiming and then draw a fine line to where the shot went, imagine a spider with a problem walking around the sheet and you would not be far wrong, I also make notes around the outside and use the data to confirm any possible changes in drops at the next distance.

Considering I need order in my life my score sheet is bordering on anarchy.

I will watch this thread with interest.

[artiglio]

I don't shoot a great deal of t/r , but plotting is a nightmare as I shoot right-handed but write left-handed, making the plots difficult at the time and almost impossible to decipher after, usually just settle with recording fall of shot, any ideas on this would be useful.

Cheers phil

[ovenpaa]

There was an application called 'Shotplotz, written by Peter Smith (I think) of the Fullbore list which was designed to run on a very low specification laptop and be completed at the firing point. I tested it for a while within WINE on a small Linux box and it worked very well, sadly I no longer have a copy and I cannot find it on the webynet. It was a refreshingly different approach to plotting and could be of interest in this thread so if anyone has a copy.....

[Griff]

When I teach scoresheets to Air Cadet Staff I have the hardest time trying to convince them of the benefits of completing their scoresheets as the shoots progress. I was given this piece of advise when I was learning scoresheets:

The reason for filling in either and/or both graphs as the shoot goes on is: to provide the person making the sight corrections with the best information available based on current history of the ammunition, firer and conditions, to ensure that the next shot is given the best chance of hitting the V-Bull. You can not do this after the shoot has concluded.

Simply said: Elevation graphs provide the mean elevation needed during the shoot on a shot by shot basis. Realising that a 1/4 or 1/2 minute elevation change partway through the shoot could have resulted in gaining that extra Bull or V-Bull is little consolation after the points have been dropped. :cool2:

Simply said: Wind graphs provide a history of what the wind was doing at the time you fired. Based upon the information of wind strength and direction for these shots and the deflection values needed on the sights, for a repeat of a given wind strength and direction means that you should 'in theory' be able to more accurately set a given sight setting to result in that loving V-Bull. Of course the wind graph doesn't take into consideration the evil wind change that occurs as you pull the trigger... grrrrrrrrr

Moral of the post.... Unless you are shooting tighter than ever :shakeshout: and you are inside a tunnel with no wind :lol: ... do your graphs

[Christel]

Two schools of thought here, I think.

Some can plot and make use of the sheets, others can't or won't.

I won't simply because what has happened is of little use to me and I think what little there is to gain from plotting disappears when one is trying to shoot as well. To hit what I want to hit, I need to be able to judge the wind, not look at a piece of paper.
I also need to know my scope inside out so I know exactly which way to turn it to compensate.

When I attended the wind reading course (Bill Richards) I was so impressed with what he taught us. No graphs, no plotting.
Just look at what the wind does to your surroundings and know your equipment.

Fair to say I never change my load/case/powder/bullet head so easy enough to get my head around.

[Gaz]

I still help out with my old uni rifle club - I teach them to plot the shot and the wind changes at a minimum. The rest comes with practice!

I can just about cope with the elevation graph (not a mathematically-minded man) during a TR shoot but the wind graph is frankly beyond me. I can see exactly why it would be useful, though, provided the wind bracket's nice and constant.

[Christel]

I can see exactly why it would be useful, though, provided the wind bracket's nice and constant.

I shoot on Stickledown at Bisley and at Barton Road...nice and constant does not exist there :lol:

[ovenpaa]

The wind chart is handy for me after the event as it gives me the extremes of wind on the day which is useful even if two days are seldom similar. It took me a few years to master Barton Road and I am not U can even use the word master, at least these days I have a very good feeling for how much wind to wind in to start with and I can usually be within a tenth or two (Mils) Assuming I am using my ammunition and not milsurp.

Stickledown, well I got a good kicking at 1100 last time out and I am still smarting from it. On that occasion I gave up on the wind chart and string shot and was still abysmal. I think I need to speak to that nice Heather and see when her next plotting course is going to be run

[Griff]

Good reasons to do your wind graph as a point of reference.... Somebody!!! Come to my aid!!! pls?? sign01