Two new Russian rounds.....

[snayperskaya]

I doubt we will see either of them or the rifles they are used in due to the sanctions imposed on JSC Kalashnikov Concern and Molot but still quite interesting

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017 ... -tkm-news/

[RDC]

Certainly interesting but do we need to see it here though? It appears to be a way of getting round their gun laws, something we don't really need to do in this case. It would be a curiosity more than anything else.

I do find odd calibres and concepts interesting!

[Sixshot6]

Question, what is the legal status of these kind of barrels in the uk? Are they considered smooth bore or rifled?

[snayperskaya]

Question, what is the legal status of these kind of barrels in the uk? Are they considered smooth bore or rifled?

As it has rifling at some point along its length I would say it would be classed as a rifle.

[snayperskaya]

Certainly interesting but do we need to see it here though? It appears to be a way of getting round their gun laws, something we don't really need to do in this case. It would be a curiosity more than anything else.

I do find odd calibres and concepts interesting!

That's the way the article makes it sound but on reading about the rifles on Russian sites it isn't a "get round", it's just the way Russian firearms laws work.I don't think we need it here but I thought I'd post it more out of interest than anything as they are pretty much the first new Russian calibres since the 5.45x39 round

[RDC]

Certainly interesting but do we need to see it here though? It appears to be a way of getting round their gun laws, something we don't really need to do in this case. It would be a curiosity more than anything else.

I do find odd calibres and concepts interesting!

That's the way the article makes it sound but on reading about the rifles on Russian sites it isn't a "get round", it's just the way Russian firearms laws work.I don't think we need it here but I thought I'd post it more out of interest than anything as they are pretty much the first new Russian calibres since the 5.45x39 round

I do appreciate you posting it! Interesting an old technology is being used, at the very least.

[snayperskaya]

Certainly interesting but do we need to see it here though? It appears to be a way of getting round their gun laws, something we don't really need to do in this case. It would be a curiosity more than anything else.

I do find odd calibres and concepts interesting!

That's the way the article makes it sound but on reading about the rifles on Russian sites it isn't a "get round", it's just the way Russian firearms laws work.I don't think we need it here but I thought I'd post it more out of interest than anything as they are pretty much the first new Russian calibres since the 5.45x39 round

I do appreciate you posting it! Interesting an old technology is being used, at the very least.

I know you do

Whilst the smoothbore/rifled variants wouldn't really be of much use over here fully rifled straight-pull versions chambered in those calibres could make an interesting alternative to the more usual 7.62x39/54r rifles we are used to.

[Sim G]

Almost a "reinvented" .30-30 to fit an even older idea of paradox rifling. I understand the concept in order to work within Russian legislation.

So basically it's a Russian version of the "LBR"! Doubtful to be of any interest outside of Russia. (Former Soviet states that still slavishly follow Moscow included)

[bradaz11]

could the oval one be seen as rifling? or would it be a sec 1 shotgun??

[RufusRover]

I wonder how deformed the bullet is by the oval rifling and what effect it has on it BC/accuracy?