Delisle silent carbine from C&G firearms

[bradaz11]

out of interest, does anyone on here have one? I bought one the other day, took it to the range and was a bit underwhelmed at its volume, even though it does look beautiful, the accuracy and noise were not really what i was expecting. tried to get in touch with chris, but not heard back from him as yet

does anyone else have one? if so, what do you shoot out of it loading wise?

i tried a few rounds of each of these with 230gr plated rn bullets. brass was new starline, and primers were cci large pistol

4.3gr bullseye
4.7gr bullseye
5.gr bullseye
5.3gr bullseye

didnt get good groups from any of these. no chrono at the range.

any advice is welcome

[saddler]

A: They're NOT silent
B: If it has the original design of internal baffles & an end-swipe it'll not only be not silent, but it'll never achieve clover leaf groups: think dinner plate at 25m, IF you're lucky
C: Those powder charges seem like some of them may be supersonic - I'd also try another powder/heavier bullets to get the velocity down.

Have fun with it, they're a great design.

[bradaz11]

problem i have, as i've said in another thread (although i was a bit reluctant to admit the rifle type in it), the main problem i have is that the range won't let me use fmj, and chris goodwin has said to avoid lead.... so i'm at a bit of a loss trying to find plated bullets of other weights.

saddler, you say it wont be silent, is that because it doesnt have a rubber endswipe in it?

i was getting about 3" groups off those at 25yrds

[saddler]

3" groups at 25m??

Sent it to me!! It's well broken....I've used some DeLisles that MISSED the target at 25m - but they HAD the rubber end-swipe fitted: a major flaw in the design, in my opinion.
I think some more work re. different powders & access to a chronograph may prove worthwhile...but the groups you're getting now are a good start.

The issue with the lead bullets may be excess leading of the baffles, requiring more frequent cleaning.

Will see what plated bullets I can find on-line. Berry's Bullets spring to mind. I can check what range Hannams stock too, if you wish?

[bradaz11]

3" groups at 25m??

Sent it to me!! It's well broken...

The issue with the lead bullets may be excess leading of the baffles, requiring more frequent cleaning.

Will see what plated bullets I can find on-line. Berry's Bullets spring to mind. I can check what range Hannams stock too, if you wish?

haha, not as bad as i thought then! don't get me wrong, it is fun to shoot, just i was expecting a bit more, well less noise

yeah, leading the baffles is what chris mentioned, although i dont know why i couldnt just open it up and clean them?? he must have spacers and such in them. i also wanted to speak to him to see if the barrel is ported.

please do have a look, i have looked about a fair bit, but cant seem to find anywhere that ships to the uk. i have bought the bullets i got from majordisorder's e-shop.
i was also looking about at hi-tek coated bullets from ppl like missouri bullet co. but no answer from them on shipping

what sort of fps should i be looking at for it to be subsonic? and can you or anyone advise on a powder to try? i only have bullseye at home, and use that for loading my 44mag too, so a powder that works well for 44 too would be good, as it makes it easier only having one powder

sign92

[snayperskaya]

I fired a reproduction one the other week and was surprised at how quite it was, no louder than a 22lr.

[majordisorder]

I've done a fair bit with .45 ACP in my rifle. I have a 20" Lothar Walther barrelled Remington 700 and shoot the same bullets that you bought ;-).

I've used Unique, AA#2 and AA#7. Unique was filthy, so I'd stay away from that.

AA#2 was probably the cleanest burning and gave me the best accuracy when running those bullets at around 960fps. That's pretty fast for a .45ACP (factory is usually around 850fps I think), it's certainly still subsonic and I was getting a large clover leaf at 25m. What I found was seating depth really didn't seem to matter, the crimp I used was just sufficient to remove the flare and return the case to being straight walled. I use a basic setup with standard Lee dies, nothing flash.

I did find the sweet spot for my rifle was around 5.3gn. It seemed that +/- .1gn made a huge difference to accuracy so stick with it. I used a chrono (MagnetoSpeed V2) to help find the sweet spot in terms of the lowest ES and SD too.

When I want to push the range a bit I use AA#7 (up to 17gn which is a huge load but seems to work really well in my rifle, but I wouldn't start anywhere near that if I were you) and shoot between 1200-1900fps with these 185gn Speer bullets. They give me about a 1.5" group @ 100m.

Hope that helps a bit

[dromia]

Why should a good fitting bullet from a soft alloy lead at those velocities?

Seems like the manufacturer is perpetrating "the all lead bullets lead your gun".

No they do not!!

[tackb]

Why should a good fitting bullet from a soft alloy lead at those velocities?

Seems like the manufacturer is perpetrating "the all lead bullets lead your gun".

No they do not!!

I was thinking the same but assumed (maybe wrongly) that the maker had tried it and found through experience what works?

[dromia]

I always probe peoples cast bullet credentials when they talk to me about the subject.

If it was my gun that is what I would do to try and understand where the seller is coming from.

It always amazes me how little otherwise knowledgeable people in the trade know about loading and shooting cast bullets and the ignorance on the subject they perpetrate as fact.

I suspect that people without cast bullet knowledge may have picked up some commercial hard cast bullets rattled them down the barrel, had problems as a consequence, returned the rifle full of lead and the maker now says no lead as a consequence.

At the end of the day from the horses mouth is usually better than speculation.