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Re: Report into Kingsbury Incident
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:18 am
by Maggot
Mezzer wrote:DaveB wrote:Sixteen months is a very long time for what is a simple ammunition accident investigation - especially when a club is denied shooting 'rights' throughout the period. And yes - this is a dead-simple investigation. I have done a dozen just like it, and supervised/reviewed the findings of a couple of dozen more.
Even complicated technical investigations that, for example require sending samples off for metallurgical examination, shouldn't take 16 months. The coronial investigations, Courts of Inquiry and so on can easily drag on for months, but the technical side of it - no. Even granting that the NRA may not have full-time ammunition technical experts and armourers on hand, I have to say that if my people took more than a few weeks to investigate a similar incident, I'd be wondering why.
Dave;
I Concur. Like yourself, I am 'in the business'.
If my people required 12 months on such a simple investigation then they would be looking for work elsewhere.
We don't need answers and explanations to the Nth degree. What happened / Where did it happen / Why did it happen and what are we going to do about it is more than enough. The effort and resources required to conduct the investigation should be commensurate with the incident outcome / potential but always with a critical regard to time.
Perhaps the NRA / MoD should consider the formation of a joint national investigation team as previously suggested whose sole function would be to look at firearm incidents such as the Kingsbury event with the objective of establishing immediate / root causes in a timely manner?
I'm not suggesting that the Kingsbury incident hasn't been concluded properly ..... but rather that it took far too long to do so.
Unfortunately, it's a fact of life that incidents can and do happen. Firearm-related incidents will always attract more attention and by dealing with these events in a professional, transparent and timely manner it can only enhance the credibility of the shooting fraternity.
My thoughts and opinion only (based on 25 years experience in the H&S game)
Mezzer
OK Mezzer, fair one mate.
Re: Report into Kingsbury Incident
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:24 am
by Maggot
targetman wrote:Karen.....just accept that there is a lot of anti NRA types on this forum....best ignore them and not rise to their purile jibes.....
Nothing wrong with having a go at the NRA as long as it is fair and you have the guts to accept that you may well have been wrong. Should really be a member first, but unless enough people bitch when they think something is genuinely wrong or unfair, nothing would progress would it?
As far as TR is concerned however....you're fair game.....
Just keep a GSOH :lol:
If I was in Karen's shoes (interesting thought) and someone had a go at my missus, I would defend her (even if she was in the wrong...which as a woman is never...right lads
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Re: Report into Kingsbury Incident
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:40 am
by DaveB
karen wrote:DaveB wrote:Sixteen months is a very long time for what is a simple ammunition accident investigation
Er sixteen months? Have you read the report?
It happened in July 2013!
OK, my error. I was sure one of the comments somewhere mentioned 16 months (and just going beck through the thread it isn't there so I don't know where the heck I got that figure from) at any rate I thought I saw it somewhere - seized on that and didn't go back and verify the actual date of the incident, which I should have done.
I am not having a go at anybody here, just wondering why it took so long.
Re: Report into Kingsbury Incident
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:00 am
by Steve E
The investigation probably took so long because some of the people involved may have been less than helpfull or obstructive to the investigation.
Re: Report into Kingsbury Incident
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:58 pm
by Sim G
May have been, or were....?
Personally, I believe that the cause of the incident will never be known and because of that, the possible cause highlighted has been over egged against Mr D.
Only very recently we've had a thread on here where a potentially catastrophic fault was found to have developed in a surplus rifle. Thankfully discovered before use. Nothing, IMO, indicates that Mr D was the "likely" cause. On the contrary, the evidence collected indicates to the contrary...
Imagine having to ban all SMLE's from the ranges....?
Just keep a GSOH :lol: