The UK's Finest Independent Forum for Shooters and Gun Owners. Est 2010.

The policy created by UN, though, as with that made in Brussels by EU, impacts on us shortly afterwards. Some of the stuff already on record is really worrying ..."

it matters not a jot WTF ruins it, the subject matter is of importance to ALL and for one group tokeepit all toitself is just irresponsible ansd shows as I keep saying why UK shooting IS doomed.

The UN and Obama / Clinton will railroad this in in the USA, all under the guise of anti terrorism so it can be done "under the counter", no debate, nothjing a fait acompli! So let's hope he gets booted out at the elections. The UK will folow the US lead.

This is a global gun ban, now WHY would they want that - because it sure as hell does NOT disarm ANY terrorist group, despot regime, the Uk or US security services, Somalian pirates etc. it is about disareming YOU, yes YOU LOT! of course the seriously deranged )(*!s behind it ALL have armed guards f=do they not. WHY a global gun ban?? good question eh! What have they got in store for us? Obama is on a power grab mission, sod the constitution and LAW> FFS he even runs guns to Mexican drug gangs.

It matters nowt to them whether you hunt or shoot paper, they want your guns and ill this bitching and infighting amongst groups is helping. Can them ALL and make ONE group that has a REAL voice, not a "don't affect me" squeak and whimper.

Make no mistake, the UN is a suspect lot at the best of times and THIS nonsense could have serious implications, not only for those who punch paper, shoot ducks or whatever but also those who REALLY need guns to stay alive.

If this nonsense goes through prepare for genocide on a mass scale in some parts of the world, it WILL happen.

PS: Yes karen I know you are not phsycic but the fact this UN thing has been active for a while and yet NRA UK has said and done nowt by all accounts says something. The NRA cannot stand back like it did after Dunblane etc, it HAS to get a voice..and members, PDQ!

http://www.nagr.org/2012SupportersDirective.aspx?pid=4b


"At the federal level, the number-one threat we continue to face is the United Nations “Small Arms Treaty.”

This dangerous Hillary Clinton-backed treaty is nothing more than a massive GLOBAL gun control scheme designed to register, ban and confiscate firearms from law-abiding citizens.

And it doesn’t need approval by the Republican-controlled House -- only the Senate -- to be ratified.

There, the often anti-gun old-guard “establishment” GOP holds tremendous sway.

Not only that, but with NINE U.S. Senators already announcing their retirements, you and I start off with our backs against the wall.

Retiring Senators have no fear of blowback at the polls for GUTTING our gun rights, after all.

And don’t think for a second President Obama and his anti-gun pals will sit around and wait for you and me to mobilize after the U.N.’s “Small Arms Treaty” is finalized this summer.

Just like so many other assaults on our liberties that we’ve seen in recent years, the “Small Arms Treaty” will be fast-tracked and sold as a vital “anti-terrorism measure” that Senators can read only AFTER ratification.

So should I focus on the Senate to make sure this treaty is NEVER enacted?


But with Congress now back in session, you and I must also be on guard for other anti-gun assaults like:

*** A new so-called “Assaults Weapon Ban.”

Unlike the old ban, this would target ALL semi-automatic rifles and shotguns and NEVER expire;

*** A New "Magazine Ban."

The anti-gun crowd and the biased, left-leaning media are clamoring for a ban on standard capacity magazines. They openly suggest that shooting little girls is the only thing gun owners like you and I would ever do with a 10-round magazine;

*** Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s “Catch All Gun Control Scheme.”

Another ostensibly “anti-terrorism” scheme, Bloomberg’s legislation would create a national “cannot buy registry,” allowing citizens to be stripped of their Second Amendment rights on the whim of Justice Department bureaucrats. It would effectively ban all private gun sales.
So if fighting the gun-grabbers’ federal legislative schemes is the most important to you, please mark DEFEND IN CONGRESS on your 2012 Supporters' Directive.

Of course, so far, I’ve only mentioned federal-level fights.

But if you remember from the agenda I mailed you last month, you and I can’t forget what’s going on at the state level.

Last year, thanks to the efforts of the National Association for Gun Rights, Constitutional Carry became law in Wyoming and made significant advances in several other states.

Under Constitutional Carry, law-abiding citizens no longer have to deal with all the outrageous fees and bureaucratic rigmarole just to carry a gun to protect themselves and their families.

If you’re legal to own a firearm, you’re legal to carry it. PERIOD.

As ground breaking as 2011 was for passing new Constitutional Carry laws, I believe we could hand the gun-grabbers a virtual rout in 2012.

In fact, I expect efforts to pass Constitutional Carry to gain a full head of steam in states like Iowa, Georgia, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Dakota and Virginia.

At least a half-a-dozen other states could consider Constitutional Carry as well.

And remember, just getting involved in these fights at the state level puts you and me in a win/win situation.

By forcing votes, we expose anti-gun politicians in state legislatures all over the country, giving Second Amendment supporters the opportunity to weed out the bad apples BEFORE they get to Congress.

But WINNING these fights could all depend on whether you and I have the resources to get involved.

Salut ,

I am new to this shooting UK world.

Who in the UK supposed to defend the interests of the gun-owners and sport-shooters ?
Is that the UK NRA ?
Is there a sport federation ?
Is that the NRA ?

If so, why havent they contacted me, knocked on my door, sent me their membership card asking for some dosh since I became a fully fledged member of a shooting club ?

Oh that's not British y'know.

More to the point, why only NOW is this getting their attention and WHY are they not all getting together....united we stand etc.....

karen wrote:Must admit that if the subject for debate is "Should the US support the United Nations small arms treaty?" I'm not quite sure why people would want NRA UK to go to it.

However that is my personal opinion not the opinion of the NRA before you all accuse the NRA of all sorts!

Britain is part of the United Nations and if the UN begin to put pressure on member states to tighten gun ownership then it will affect us. Anything gun related in the UK should involve the NRA. If the GCN are to be represented then the NRA should go mob handed as should the CPSA, SA etc. As mentioned before they are supposed to be the national body representing shooters interests in the UK. I don't donate to anything associated with UNICEF due to their stance on personal gun ownership!

The first step and relatively cost neutral way forward for the NRA to start getting involved, pushing it's way in to events and discussions and voicing the opinion of UK shooters. By building a presence and getting noticed, those of us who are disinterested will start to sit up and take notice of what the NRA is doing. When I read about things in the proposed newsletter for non members and when I feel the NRA is offering me something worthwhile then I will join even though I will get very little if anything from the use of Bisley. The NRA needs to attract members both to build it representative power in the UK but also to boost income and being involved in these type of events is a start. Hell, I'd even get speaking to the CPSA, BASC, SA etc.

There appear to be a lot of shooters in the UK who are expecting someone somewhere to be acting in their best interests without actually contributing to that association.

The NRA has communicated some news to us in recent months which we need to listen to

The first is that we now have a new NRA. They are interested in everything that goes bang and possibly some things like archery that do not, as long as it has some form of accuracy.

The second is that they are now wanting to do a lot more for it's members than ever before. It would like to be doing all the things that we always thought that it did or wanted it to do.

And finally, it is practically broke. It is only just surviving on what is now a skeleton staff, but it has it's eyes on the future and is thinking bigger than ever before.

It is no good saying that you will never forgive the NRA for what happened during the Assault rifle ban / pistol ban etc, those people have now gone. Anyone who was only interested in their own discipline ie Target Rifle, has now gone.

They are screaming out to us that the future has huge potential but they can not do it with the current level of interest.
To confuse the words of JFK,
Stop thinking about what the NRA can do for you and start thinking about what you can do for the NRA.

Simply sitting back and waiting to see what happens is not going to be a viable option as far as shooting is concerned in this country, be that short term or long term.

Whenever I read these arguments I am reminded of the famous Jewish poem by pastor Martin Niemölle

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me


DM

re-

Stop thinking about what the NRA can do for you and start thinking about what you can do for the NRA.

Very nice to say that but I have being shooting in England for over a year now and I only found out about the NRA when I went along to a Bisley shot.

To go back to my orriginal question, is the NRA actually the national body for the sport of shooting whose is suposed to represent and defend the gun-owners & sport shooters interests ??

If this is the case, who ever is in-charged and being payed to do their marketing is being terribly quiet ...

If this is the case, in an ideal world shooting-club and NRA membership would go automatically hand-in-hand.

If this is the case, I would assume that the NRA would have at least one volunter "official representative" in every shooting club in the land and that in accordance to the club commite that this guy would make sure he introduces himself to every new club member to blow the NRA trumpet.

And Karen dont take me wrong, this is not wingeing and treat this as constructive critic

Dangermouse - wanna job? :lol:

froggy wrote:Who in the UK supposed to defend the interests of the gun-owners and sport-shooters?

The British Shooting Sport(s) Council.

(they can't seem to decide whether there's an 's' or not).

From their home page:

"Representing the interests of

British Association for Shooting & Conservation
Association of Professional Clay Target Shooting Grounds
Countryside Alliance
Clay Pigeon Shooting Association
Gun Trade Association
Muzzle Loaders Association
Sportsman's Association of Great Britain & Northern Ireland
National Rifle Association
National Smallbore Rifle Association
United Kingdom Practical Shooting Association
Institute of Clay Shooting Instructors
Association of Professional Shooting Instructors"

..

DM Good post.

From what I gather this has pretty much been signed up to by the regime here. It IS serious - and it is a fair bet that if and when such a drcree is issued Brits will line up and hand them over..like they do.

What really gets on my mammaries is the fact that the same UN tossers sit and finger their rings over Syriah and issue numerous but totally meaningless condemnations - all the time whilst people are murdered in the streets. Yet have no sign of ANY gonads to disarm the culprits......which is what this global ban is meant to do. Again the question needs asked, WTF should we comply? History shows what happens when populations are completely disarmed, like it or not. this is not a Pro US rant or even a US only issue, it IS a GLOBAL ban that these loonies want. It's a serious question, WHAT have they to be so scared of, it's not as if ONE gun will be handed over by the murderers and despots so WHY pick on the law abiding and vulnerable. ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!

Strange that the very "small arms" these UN criminals want to take from US are pretty much the same ones that regimes like Syriah use to murder civilians...The UN has of course been complicit in so many war crimes, each one preceeded by UN troops disarming the victims to be.

The entire UN should wound up and those who issued the orders that led to disarmed victims being murdered hauled before a court with serious punishment powers.