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Alpha1 wrote:

Frankly, if the conclusion of this community is that reloading doesn't save you significant money and my conclusion on test is that high-grade commercial ammo such as RUAG is close to the best handloads, I'm going to keep arguing for commercial ammo at the Imperial.

I am so happy I dont shoot the imperial I could never be comfortable shooting ammo in a competion that had been built by some one else and having no idea how it had been assembled.
If I was going to shoot a comp I would have to have built the ammo my self no matter how much it cost.

You wouldn't drive all the way to Bisley, anyway! Besides you couldn't get a Visa for the South of England after your previous comments about Southerners.

That one really cracked me up Rog never laughed so much for ages. Nice one. :shakeshout:
But you are right no way am I going to drive down to Bisley. I will carry on shooting down here in Gods Country.

Getting your smith to chamber your gun to RUAG is the way forward if you only want to shoot factory.

Factory is proven safer than home loads anyway so no need to mistrust.

stgeo

Are you suggesting a shooter deviate from a SAAMI (Translate: Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute) chambering John?

ovenpaa wrote:Are you suggesting a shooter deviate from a SAAMI (Translate: Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute) chambering John?

Ovenpaa
Suggest that you read Rule 150 in the Bible. Many peoples TR and FTR rifles are now chambered specifically for the NRA RUAG issued ammunition as the rules allow a reduced throat length as long as the bullet in the loaded round is not in contact with the rifling.

Steve

John25 wrote:Getting your smith to chamber your gun to RUAG is the way forward if you only want to shoot factory.

Factory is proven safer than home loads anyway so no need to mistrust.

stgeo

You think?!

Steve E wrote:

ovenpaa wrote:Are you suggesting a shooter deviate from a SAAMI (Translate: Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute) chambering John?

Ovenpaa
Suggest that you read Rule 150 in the Bible. Many peoples TR and FTR rifles are now chambered specifically for the NRA RUAG issued ammunition as the rules allow a reduced throat length as long as the bullet in the loaded round is not in contact with the rifling.

Steve

Fancy building a rifle around a type of ammunition! Far more sensible to build the ammo to suit the rifle.

dodgyrog wrote:

Steve E wrote:

ovenpaa wrote:Are you suggesting a shooter deviate from a SAAMI (Translate: Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute) chambering John?

Ovenpaa
Suggest that you read Rule 150 in the Bible. Many peoples TR and FTR rifles are now chambered specifically for the NRA RUAG issued ammunition as the rules allow a reduced throat length as long as the bullet in the loaded round is not in contact with the rifling.

Steve

Fancy building a rifle around a type of ammunition! Far more sensible to build the ammo to suit the rifle.

But Rog' it is the ammo the NRA supply at their comps - so people are going to build rifles around it - surely easier just to allow home loads - which they don't - ah but can't do that as it would be unfair apparently?! - no more unfair than re-chambering a rifle to RUAG just to shoot NRA ammo!

Mike

Hi Steve, nice to see you back after SA.

I agree that rule 150 states

Bore and Chamber Dimensions: The dimensions must not be less than either CIP or SAAMI minimum chamber drawings (whichever is the smaller) other
than in (a) and (b) above where the following concessions are permitted: the bore diameter must not be less than 0.298”. the groove diameter must not be less than 0.3065”. the throat diameter must not be less than either the bullet diameter or 0.3085”, whichever is the greater. the minimum throat length may also be reduced but only to such an extent that the bullet of the cartridge in use is not in contact with the rifling. See Appendix V Para 7f.

However this was not a reference to TR/MR or even F/TR plus I am not familiar with the dimensions of the new Bisley issue ammunition and any further comments are hard to make as Appendix V Para 7f does not exist in Pdf version of the 2012 Bible.

It does however raise an interesting point and that is the Bible appears to suggest that jammed loads are not permitted which is going to be a huge issue for all of the F/TR shooters that run the 185 VLD's jammed by .005" and more. I guess they could always move back to the other known sweet spot of a jump of around .130" however loosing around an eighth of an inch of case capacity would render them all but useless.

dodgyrog wrote:

John25 wrote:Getting your smith to chamber your gun to RUAG is the way forward if you only want to shoot factory.

Factory is proven safer than home loads anyway so no need to mistrust.

stgeo

You think?!

Yep!