Re: VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:37 pm
rofl...dromia wrote:I shoot caseless ammunition.
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VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39
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Re: VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:38 pm
Took me a while but I guess muzzle loading counts. I thinking of how that was done by HK and Voere and since then nothing....safetyfirst wrote:rofl...dromia wrote:I shoot caseless ammunition.
Re: VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39
Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:57 pm
I believe the Dreyse and Chassepot rifles are breech loaders that use a paper cartridge and are 'caseless' in the conventional sense.I'm sure Dromia will be along soonSixshot6 wrote:Took me a while but I guess muzzle loading counts. I thinking of how that was done by HK and Voere and since then nothing....safetyfirst wrote:rofl...dromia wrote:I shoot caseless ammunition.
Re: VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:03 am
Whats caseless ammo?
Re: VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:15 am
Hard to explain but in short is not for marmite eaters/lovers 
Re: VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:18 am
But seriously?go for 7.62x39,it is a propper round with heritage,5.56x45 is political fart...
Re: VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:29 pm
Ammunition with no metallic case.Marmite5 wrote:Whats caseless ammo?
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Re: VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:39 pm
snayperskaya wrote:I believe the Dreyse and Chassepot rifles are breech loaders that use a paper cartridge and are 'caseless' in the conventional sense.I'm sure Dromia will be along soonSixshot6 wrote:
Took me a while but I guess muzzle loading counts. I thinking of how that was done by HK and Voere and since then nothing....
Nothing new in caseless ammunition and not just muzzle loading there are breechloading caseless ammunition, as has been said the needle rifles used a caseless round as did the early Sharps, the Ferguson rifle also breech loaded with powder and ball, then of course you have the muzzleloading cartridges like the Enfield, Brown Bess etc.
Caseless ammunition came before the metallic cartridge, nothing truly new in this shooting world nowadays.
Re: VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:35 pm
Walter Hunt's "Rocket Ball" of 1848, in S&Ws Volcanic Pistol....
Re: VZ58 MARS 223 vs 7.62x39
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:49 am
Thats more or less what i did. And since doing that i've found 2 shops that have cheaper 7.63x39 than i can get .223 forSim G wrote:Pick the six most local gunshops to you and give them a call. Ask two questions; what factory 7.62x39 ammo do you have in stock, and what factory .223 do you have in stock? Or, what suitable bullets for each....
Still i prefer having a .223 version. As mentioned its a fugly rifle and swathing mine in AR parts has, to my eye, improved its appearance, marginally. I also prefer straight-in-and-out magazine changes rather than the rock-and-lock AK/VZ mags, particularly as the VZ's mag release is tiny (even with the enlargement, and also not ambidextrous).
A few 75rd drum mags would be nice though....
