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hobbesy wrote: I'd have trouble getting to my spare keys, then the cabinet, then the rifle and ammo with any degree of speed if someone came into my home.

Practice makes perfect

Midway UK is a franchise of MidwayUSA and its quite likely that all of the products have just been ported over from their website. That said, nothing listed is prohibited so i'm not really sure what the fuss is

Blackstuff wrote:

hobbesy wrote: I'd have trouble getting to my spare keys, then the cabinet, then the rifle and ammo with any degree of speed if someone came into my home.

Practice makes perfect

Midway UK is a franchise of MidwayUSA and its quite likely that all of the products have just been ported over from their website. That said, nothing listed is prohibited so i'm not really sure what the fuss is

Interestingly none of the Cold Steel items listed are available to purchase from MidwayUK however you can buy them from Cold Steel UK http://www.coldsteel-uk.com/store/Speciality-Items.html

Blackstuff wrote:

hobbesy wrote: I'd have trouble getting to my spare keys, then the cabinet, then the rifle and ammo with any degree of speed if someone came into my home.

Practice makes perfect

Midway UK is a franchise of MidwayUSA and its quite likely that all of the products have just been ported over from their website. That said, nothing listed is prohibited so i'm not really sure what the fuss is

Smith & Wesson 16" Collapsible Baton 4130 Steel Shaft Black Finish Textured Rubber Grip

I thought these were listed as offensive weapons under UK law and thus are banned from anyone owning them apart from those granted exepmted authority by the home office I.E. the police.

https://www.gov.uk/import-controls-on-offensive-weapons

What counts as an offensive weapon

Offensive weapons are goods designed to kill or inflict serious injury which have no real legitimate use. Such weapons are restricted and in the case of flick and gravity knives are banned from being imported into the UK and can be seized by UKBA officers. These include:

knuckledusters, handclaws and push daggers
footclaws - ie spikes designed to be strapped to the foot
flick or gravity knives - ie with blades that are spring-loaded or can be opened using gravity or a flick of the wrist
weapons with a concealed or disguised blade or sharp point - eg swordsticks, stealth knives, butterfly knives and belt buckle blades
martial arts weapons such as death stars, hollow kubotans and kusaris
batons and telescopic truncheons
blowpipes or blowguns, except for use by vets or registered animal handlers
curved blade swords with a blade over 50 centimetres

no real legitimate use

So that rules out self defence then , just crazy!

Baton (night stick / Ton-Fa) - where's the problem?

$harp$hooter wrote:

Blackstuff wrote:

hobbesy wrote: I'd have trouble getting to my spare keys, then the cabinet, then the rifle and ammo with any degree of speed if someone came into my home.

Practice makes perfect

Midway UK is a franchise of MidwayUSA and its quite likely that all of the products have just been ported over from their website. That said, nothing listed is prohibited so i'm not really sure what the fuss is

Smith & Wesson 16" Collapsible Baton 4130 Steel Shaft Black Finish Textured Rubber Grip

I thought these were listed as offensive weapons under UK law and thus are banned from anyone owning them apart from those granted exepmted authority by the home office I.E. the police.

https://www.gov.uk/import-controls-on-offensive-weapons

What counts as an offensive weapon

Offensive weapons are goods designed to kill or inflict serious injury which have no real legitimate use. Such weapons are restricted and in the case of flick and gravity knives are banned from being imported into the UK and can be seized by UKBA officers. These include:

knuckledusters, handclaws and push daggers
footclaws - ie spikes designed to be strapped to the foot
flick or gravity knives - ie with blades that are spring-loaded or can be opened using gravity or a flick of the wrist
weapons with a concealed or disguised blade or sharp point - eg swordsticks, stealth knives, butterfly knives and belt buckle blades
martial arts weapons such as death stars, hollow kubotans and kusaris
batons and telescopic truncheons
blowpipes or blowguns, except for use by vets or registered animal handlers
curved blade swords with a blade over 50 centimetres

I can only assume that the list above is a definition given by HMRC, rather than the Home Office as i don't know any martial arts clubs (which aren't unarmed combat only) that DON'T have kubotans, kusaris or swords with a blade greater than 50cm on the dojo wall! Hell i've been in Indian restaurants that have scimitar swords above the doors well in excess of 50cm!

Blackstuff wrote:
I can only assume that the list above is a definition given by HMRC, rather than the Home Office as i don't know any martial arts clubs (which aren't unarmed combat only) that DON'T have kubotans, kusaris or swords with a blade greater than 50cm on the dojo wall! Hell i've been in Indian restaurants that have scimitar swords above the doors well in excess of 50cm!

It is my understanding that there are specific exemptions in law for martial arts practitioners or for having a item deemed and offensive weapon which has a religious connotation.

It was my understanding that any telescopic baton such as the one shown on the website was deemed an offensive weapon by law and only those specifically granted exemption by the home office could carry them, i.e. police forces.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... DS_FAQ.pdf

Specified weapons
Section 141 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 provides that it is an offence to manufacture, sell or hire, offer for sale or hire, expose or have in his possession for the purpose of sale or hire of or lending or giving to any other person certain specified weapons. The Criminal Justice Act (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988 (S.I 1998/2019) (as amended) provides that the following are specified weapons for the purpose of section 141:

j) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘telescopic truncheon’, being a truncheon which extends automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to its handle

q) a straight, side handled or friction lock truncheon (sometimes known as a baton)

$harp$hooter wrote: j) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘telescopic truncheon’, being a truncheon which extends automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to its handle

That is a specific martial arts weapon that is spring loaded and telescopes open when you press a button (like a flick knife) but i can't for the life of me remember its name (its on the start of Big Trouble in Little China if thats any help :lol: ). Its not the police type that you have flick out manually

Using their mobile browsing app. there are still a couple of nice Cold Steel push daggers listed as available for purchase.

Offering push daggers for sale is a criminal offence.

Their site also has a few disguised knives available; again, even listing such items is an offence.


Ignorance of the law is not an excuse....basic lack of attention to detail or something else?
They're not alone in the UK though. ..the Blackhawk importers brought quite a few similar push daggers post-ban: not enough knowledge of the law of the land...

"Offering push daggers for sale is a criminal offence."

.....or is it "invitation to treat" that can be declined by the merchant.? There is a line though and showing it and then saying NOT for sale is a bit daft - a bit like the laws.

How come those ceramic kitchen knives are on sale yet "stealth knives" wtfwtf are banned. Any knife is stealthy is it not...apart from the "swish" that longer ones make.

saddler wrote:Using their mobile browsing app. there are still a couple of nice Cold Steel push daggers listed as available for purchase.

Offering push daggers for sale is a criminal offence.

Their site also has a few disguised knives available; again, even listing such items is an offence.


Ignorance of the law is not an excuse....basic lack of attention to detail or something else?
They're not alone in the UK though. ..the Blackhawk importers brought quite a few similar push daggers post-ban: not enough knowledge of the law of the land...

simply having an telescoping baton at home WITHOUT INTENDING TO SELL it is not an offence