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Re: Berger Bullets
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:33 am
by GazMorris
Blu wrote:GazMorris,
Two Individual and Team World Long Range Championships in a row suggests that you're wrong about the $hite part
Point taken, but how much money did those guys spend on their rifles, I'll wager a hell of a lot more than you or I would and they are usually finely tuned barrels and what not. Also those guys are probably doing all sorts to the bullet to get them to shoot the way they shoot, I don't believe for one minute they are shooting them straight out of the box. I believe it's a sad reflection when a cheapo 100Grn Speer bullet performs better than a so called "premier" bullet, hence I stand by my statement.
Blu
Blu,
You'd be surprised how standard the rifles used by the GB Palma Team are. Most of the team used Swing (70s & 80s) or Paramount (90s) rifles, with the balance being made up by RPAs and one or two Barnards. Most barrels were Kriegers or Bartleins, with a few other brands thrown in for good measure. I doubt that there's a tuned barrel amongst them.
Relatively little was done to the bullets to get them to shoot. I think that the 1000 yard ammo was trimmed and pointed, but that's about it. All of the bullets for the match were spun to check concentricity. A single load was used for the vast majority of shooters (one or two had a slightly hotter load.) Bullets were seated very long when the ammunition was manufactured and the shooter would push back the ammo to the right length the night before. The most common jump was about 40 thou if I remember correctly.
Ammunition, rifle and shooter perform as a single system with the overall performance generally determined by the weakest link. If you're shooting an average rifle, then you can't expect to see a massive increase in performance when moving from good to very good bullets.
Gaz
Re: Berger Bullets
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:58 am
by Blu
Gaz,
Most barrels were Kriegers or Bartleins, with a few other brands thrown in for good measure.
Hey c'mon now Gaz, Kriegers and Bartleins. Hardly the average barrels are they now?
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If you're shooting an average rifle, then you can't expect to see a massive increase in performance when moving from good to very good bullets.
Exactly, that's why the GB Palma Teams are using Kriegers and Bartleins barrels. Besides I never said which or what kind of barrels I have on my rifles.
Blu
Re: Berger Bullets
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:01 am
by tackb
amax does everything i want at reasonable money.
i flirted with bergers a few years ago and decided it wasn't worth the money or hassle for my level of shooting but if it works for someone else then knock your self out ?
Re: Berger Bullets
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:21 am
by The Cupcake Kid
What's the point in coming on a forum slagging off a particular brand of bullet because you think they should be better/cheaper than you've found?
It's not going to make any difference to those of us who have found that particular brand to work and are prepared to pay more for a tighter group.
Just shoot the bullet that works in your gun for your application and if you can do it for less money than Berger shooters, then well done and carry on!
It's like saying "I've driven a Porsche and I can't see what the fuss is all about. My BMW drives just as well. Overpriced $hite, those Porsches".
We've got your point. You don't like Bergers. Now let's move on.
Re: Berger Bullets
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:28 am
by dromia
The purpose of the forum is for people to air their views and opinions on shooting related issues.
Every civil and legal point of view is valid here, it is up to the individual reader to place what value if any on a post.
As you have implied if you don't agree what you read then put a contrary view or just ignore and walk away, however it is not in the spirit of the forum to condemn someone for their post.
For you it is waste of time for others it is not or they would not have replied.
Re: Berger Bullets
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:50 am
by Blu
What's the point in coming on a forum slagging off a particular brand of bullet because you think they should be better/cheaper than you've found?
Whoa there Cupcake, I was giving my opinion on Berger Bullets and that opinion was I found them to be $hite despite all the hype about them. And coming on to a forum and giving that opinion is what forums are all about. Sorry if that doesn't meet with your idea of a forum.
It's not going to make any difference to those of us who have found that particular brand to work and are prepared to pay more for a tighter group.
If you have to pay more for a tighter group then I suggest you might want to re-evaluate the rifle you are using to achieve those very tight groups. Like you I can achieve very tight groups, I just don't have to pay through the nose to do it.
Just shoot the bullet that works in your gun for your application and if you can do it for less money than Berger shooters, then well done and carry on!
I do, that's my point, I don't need to faff about with overpriced bullets to achieve the same results.
It's like saying "I've driven a Porsche and I can't see what the fuss is all about. My BMW drives just as well. Overpriced $hite, those Porsches"
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No it isn't. As I have already stated, I am giving my opinion on Berger bullets, I am neither asking you or anyone else for your agreement or disagreement. In short you don't have to answer if you don't like what I am writing.
We've got your point. You don't like Bergers. Now let's move on.
Well excuse the hell out of me, if no one had replied to my original post that would have been fine by me, I would have said my piece and forgotten about it. It seems to have escaped your notice however that some folks did reply to my post and gave their views and I answered them politely and gave back my views Did that bug you in some way? Hey cupcake no one forced you to read this thread so don't come issuing demands to move on if you don't like what you read.
Blu
Re: Berger Bullets
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:54 am
by Blu
Dromia, sorry I didn't see your post there otherwise I wouldn't have gone to the lengths I did to write my reply after you posted.
Blu
Re: Berger Bullets
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:05 pm
by Alpha1
Hornady Amax do it for me.
Re: Berger Bullets
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:10 pm
by Blu
Alpha1 wrote:Hornady Amax do it for me.
Alpha1, yep a good bullet mate, my Grendel monster loves them.
Blu
Re: Berger Bullets
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:59 pm
by Sim G
Oh goody, argument.......!
Sierra is the only bullet to use! All others are a poor second.