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Re: Gun Trade Assc latest news.....
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:42 pm
by Fedaykin
Chuck wrote:Ignoring it won't make the problem go away...it will just make your guns go away.
Whatever you are worried aboutn theyb have already thought of it and the answer should be NIO, bwecause as I have said before,NOT ONE OF YOU is guilty of these attacks! Collective punishment of the innocent is against ECHR law I would imagine - no matter what excuse they use to dress it up!
This is a problem of the EU's making not of anyone on here.
Not saying it won't go away albeit I do think that cool heads and unnecessary panic are not needed.
I agree that collective punishment of those who have done nothing wrong is getting tiresome.
Re: Gun Trade Assc latest news.....
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:47 pm
by snayperskaya
Fedaykin wrote:
When I said websites I meant Rusmilitary albeit they do look here as well. My Umbrage was directed at Rusmilitary unnecessarily stoking panic.
Ah, I see
Re: Gun Trade Assc latest news.....
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:29 pm
by A.J.P.
Outsider wrote:I don't care if the ban wouldn't effect the UK in the slightest. This is still nonsense that needs to be opposed.
Unfortunately the UK would most definitely be affected if the proposals are implemented as currently written. We stand a very good chance of losing the types of semi-automatic firearm, chambered in .22LR, which are commonly used in a variety of gallery rifle and mini rifle competitions.
These issues need to be discussed in detail by us, the shooting community, and it's from us that the necessary opposition is going to come.
Please don't misinterpret my rebuttal of the claims that UK spec. straight-pulls are on the chopping block as a sign that I do not vehemently object to the EC's proposals. As I originally posted back in December, I urge all those members of this forum who are concerned to do the following:
Read the proposals:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6110_en.htm
Sign the largest petition opposing the proposals:
https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the ... ef=Default
Write to your MEPs to state your opposition to the proposals:
https://www.writetothem.com/
Respond directly to the European Commission via their feedback portal:
https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/regdo ... Id=3085376
Re: Gun Trade Assc latest news.....
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:26 am
by joe
I read somewhere that The last debate on these gun bans were overwhelming rejected by EU member states
Re: Gun Trade Assc latest news.....
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:46 am
by A.J.P.
joe wrote:I read somewhere that The last debate on these gun bans were overwhelming rejected by EU member states
You can watch the entire discussion here:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/n ... Protection
The discussion starts at approximately 1:21:57. There was dissent from multiple representatives, but to say that the proposals where overwhelmingly rejected would be an exaggeration. There was both criticism and support from the various representatives present. The EC spokesman appeared flustered at points, seemingly exasperated that the proposals were seeing opposition. He also made some glaringly incorrect technical statements regarding firearms. At 2:27:38 he claims:
“you can still use…semi automatic, long firearms who’s magazine and chamber can together hold more than three rounds. 3 rounds is 31 bullets! Those kind of weapons are not affected by the commission’s proposals. So sport shooters are able to continue to do it…What we prohibit are semi automatic weapons which resemble an automatic mechanism.”
He obviously knows absolutely nothing about how firearms operate, and his incompetence highlights how ignorant the EC is on this issue. Yet they still propose sweeping legislation that would have a hugely detrimental effect upon lawful sports shooters across the EU.
Re: Gun Trade Assc latest news.....
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:13 pm
by meles meles
So, oomans, if a rifle looks like some other type of rifle, it becomes especially dangerous ? Have we grasped that correctly ?
Re: Gun Trade Assc latest news.....
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:33 pm
by dromia
If you have grasped that then you are obviously a European Commission bureaucrat.
Re: Gun Trade Assc latest news.....
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:34 pm
by meles meles
Which platform for the Gravy Train ?
Re: Gun Trade Assc latest news.....
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:46 pm
by joe
meles meles wrote:Which platform for the Gravy Train ?
It's not a coincidence that USA is also through executive orders are pushing through silly gun laws such adding people on the banned database with depression etc
New world order ?!
Re: Gun Trade Assc latest news.....
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:42 pm
by joe
joe wrote:meles meles wrote:Which platform for the Gravy Train ?
It's not a coincidence that USA is also through executive orders are pushing through silly gun laws such as adding people on the banned database with depression etc
New world order ?!