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Re: Want to be 'cross-referenced' on a terrorist database?

#11 Post by joe »

Rockhopper wrote:I think (and I'm sure some Police types will be able to clarify) that your vehicle details on the PNC are linked to your name (obviously) so when they do a check it comes up with a flag for firearms. This is based on what happened to a friend of mine - he got stopped for a random breath test and the office in the car knew that he was an FAC holder.

Random breath tests are illegal!
Beath tests can only be carried out if there is resonable suspicion if the driver has alcohol in his body or has comitted a moving traffic offence or has been involved in accendient
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#12 Post by snayperskaya »

bigfathairybiker wrote:What does a "suspicious ariel" look like?

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#13 Post by zanes »

joe wrote:
Rockhopper wrote:I think (and I'm sure some Police types will be able to clarify) that your vehicle details on the PNC are linked to your name (obviously) so when they do a check it comes up with a flag for firearms. This is based on what happened to a friend of mine - he got stopped for a random breath test and the office in the car knew that he was an FAC holder.

Random breath tests are illegal!
Beath tests can only be carried out if there is resonable suspicion if the driver has alcohol in his body or has comitted a moving traffic offence or has been involved in accendient
So what you're saying is the well publicised anti-drink drive random breath test campaigns done by many police forces each Christmas are in fact illegal?
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#14 Post by snayperskaya »

zanes wrote:
joe wrote:
Rockhopper wrote:I think (and I'm sure some Police types will be able to clarify) that your vehicle details on the PNC are linked to your name (obviously) so when they do a check it comes up with a flag for firearms. This is based on what happened to a friend of mine - he got stopped for a random breath test and the office in the car knew that he was an FAC holder.

Random breath tests are illegal!
Beath tests can only be carried out if there is resonable suspicion if the driver has alcohol in his body or has comitted a moving traffic offence or has been involved in accendient
So what you're saying is the well publicised anti-drink drive random breath test campaigns done by many police forces each Christmas are in fact illegal?

The police can stop you at any time and ask you to take a breath test (‘breathalyse’ you) if:

they think you’ve been drinking
you’ve committed a traffic offence
you’ve been involved in a road traffic accident

Random testing for no reason without reasonable suspicion is illegal, that said the "reason suspicion" is probably stretched a bit at Christmas time.
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#15 Post by HH1 »

A couple of years ago one of my colleagues brought a visitor in for a tour.... I was introduced and he said "yes, I know who you are, I've seen your file".... the guy worked for GCHQ. So yeah they do have info.......
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#16 Post by Rockhopper »

I understand that random tests are not allowed. That wasn't really the main point of my post!
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#17 Post by Egg on Leggs1 »

joe wrote:
Rockhopper wrote:I think (and I'm sure some Police types will be able to clarify) that your vehicle details on the PNC are linked to your name (obviously) so when they do a check it comes up with a flag for firearms. This is based on what happened to a friend of mine - he got stopped for a random breath test and the office in the car knew that he was an FAC holder.

Random breath tests are illegal!
Beath tests can only be carried out if there is resonable suspicion if the driver has alcohol in his body or has comitted a moving traffic offence or has been involved in accendient
Road of lubbish, they will just say they thought they could smell alcohol and go ahead anyway.
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#18 Post by dodgyrog »

Alpha1 wrote:If you are a law abiding gun owner then you don't have anything to worry about.
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#19 Post by ordnance »

It has being happening here for 40 years or more, they are just expanding it to the rest of the UK like it or not.
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#20 Post by Chuck »

The US take on it:

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2016032 ... -americans

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It is often pointed out that UK government officials treat George Orwell’s “1984” less like the dire warning it was intended to be, and more as an instruction manual. Further evidence of this was provided this week when an astute member of the UK shooting community brought attention to an admission that UK intelligence agencies are using centralized records of UK firearm owners in their efforts to target “terrorists.”

An article featured on the blog UK Shooting News points to the initial draft of the Investigatory Powers Bill, a controversial and wide-ranging piece of government surveillance legislation derisively known in the UK as the Snoopers’ Charter. The legislation was given a second reading in Parliament on March 15.
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