Delisle silent carbine from C&G firearms

[mag41uk]

Shooting Supplies in Luxembourg list plated 45acp bullets.
But as said above I cant see why proper cast boolits wouldn't work.
I have shot lead out of most of the guns I have ever owned without problems.
I did fire a genuine DeLisle many years ago and it was very quiet and reasonably accurate.
I have fired a modern copy, LERA have one as a club gun, and its not so quiet with mediocre accuracy.
Not sure who made it off hand.
Tony

[M41B]

I have had one of Chris's Delisles for about 2/3 years now, took a 7.62 to him to be exported and came away having ordered a Delisle Carbine.... He's a good salesman and a very nice bloke.....

I used a genuine one a few years ago and was amazed how quiet it was and the accuracy wasn't too bad considering the ammo was a right ol' mixture of FMJ and lead of various makes. I have to be honest, I thought mine would be quieter than it is but I can still use mine indoors without ear defenders, sounds like a loud air rifle but bear in mind the original had a 7 1/2" barrel whereas the copies have a 12 1/2" barrel to comply with the law. 5" of silencer would make a big difference I suppose. I think that the end of the barrel does have ports on it. I have stripped mine down as far as I can get it to go (not cut the wired lead security bands off) to clean it and I have to say, the quality of the engineering is superb. I did use to spray WD40 down it after each use but now just leave it and strip it twice a year. The gunge in it from the oil was awful to remove. I didn't know that the original had rubber in it as well to slow the velocity, you live and learn.

I too am not allowed to use FMJ on my indoor range so do use lead. At 20 yards I'm getting a group rested of about 1", this is a 230 grain RN with 5.4 grains of Unique (yes, it is dirty though). I use 230 g FMJ when I am at Bisley but found that it is not as accurate in mine as lead. Still grouping to about 4" at 50 yards which is okay for me (my eyes are not too good now and I struggle to see the sights/target). I found that the graduation on the sights was way off, tried it at 200 on the 200 yard setting and nearly went over the top of the butt stop. I just re-zeroed it and put a line of paint where the setting was, works okay but at this distance it really is way past accurate and I would be lucky to get all the rounds on a Fig 11.

USUAL RULES ABOUT MY LOADS WORKING OKAY IN MINE ETC...

I really enjoy using mine and it always draws comments from people when it is shot. I have wondered about getting the barrel cut down to 7 1/2" but I suppose it would fall foul of the minimum length as it would still fire if the shroud and baffles were removed. Never mind I will enjoy it as it is.

Mat

[bradaz11]

ok, thank you for all the input.
any idea how to slug the barrel of one of these as i can't really get to the crown easily to hammer in a oversize roundball.... also, what size ball should i be looking at using? i use 457's in my revolver, would they be big enough?

as for the leading issue, could the barrel being ported lead to issues using lead, or would it somehow affect the baffles? could that be why he doesnt want lead to go through it?

also, does anyone else have a view to if i should be using a different powder or not? so far from what i've seen i've been told to give AA#2 a try, although not sure where to get it from. or should i just stick with the bullseye?

as for the length of barrel, surely the outer suppressor body makes up for the 5 inches though?

sorry for all the questions

[toffe wrapper]

You cannot use plated bullets on the thorn range unless you can mark indent the plating with your finger nail like .22 copper washed.
You can use hard cast lead which you can just about mark with a finger nail.
Most plated bullets are very hard and almost as tough as FMJ. If yours are berry's or the plated los? ones you are breaking the range regulations.
If in doubt get the Ro's to check / approve you ammo.

TW

[mag41uk]

Try Vectan AS. It is very clean and cheap.
Vectan BA10 is also excellent but twice the cost of AS.
I have a buddy who is moving on some BA10 and I have spare AS from a group purchase.
Tony

[meles meles]

We have an Armalon version of the De Lisle, and have seen (and almost heard) an original De Lisle shot at the School of Infantry, Warminster.

First point to note, oomans, is that there is no such thing as a standard De Lisle. They were paw made in small batches by a number of different manufacturers and to our knowledge, the biggest batch numbered only 28 items. Most batches have the eccentric stainless baffles, but a few do not. Some batches have the Lanchester SMG sights, but a few do not. Some have the original Lee Enfield Magazine lined with velvet to silence the noise of .45 ACP cases dropping into it, some do not. Some have a small felt pad let into the woodwork to deaden the sound of the bolt being closed. Some replace this with a rubber pad. Some have neither. Two are known to exist with skeletal folding stocks. Some have rubber swipe baffles, some do not.

This leads to our second point. Most reproductions copy one gun, from one batch. Which gun was copied leads to differences in performance. We understand that Chris's copy (C&G) is a pretty faithful copy of the Warminster exhibit. When we heard the original fired, we only just heard it: it was about on a par with a .22LR subsonic. Armalon readily concede that their version is themed upon the De Lisle but gives ground to modern manufacturing techniques rather than being an exact replica. It's still pretty quiet.

We fire our Armalon version using both COTS FMJ .45 ACP and paw loaded lead boolits. The latter are the more accurate and freekin' quiet.

[bradaz11]

so any help with slugging the barrel then? i know i need to force a lead ball down, but what size and what is the best way to get it started in the barrel??

[ovenpaa]

You need access to the muzzle of the barrel which will mean removing the outer and the baffles by removing the lock wire and undoing the two nuts at the front. As these are brand new LW barrels it might be as easy to ask Chris what they slug at and if he does not know he can ask his lad to check.

[bradaz11]

see, thats exactly why i was asking, thank you :)

[dromia]

If you take an impact cast then accessing the muzzle isn't necessary.