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I've got a 15" machete next to the bed waiting to get put in something like this...



I just haven't got round to making the case yet...

If you purchase an object labeled for sale as self defence then it rather prevents you from using it as such in UK law. Example. I am attacked on my doorstep. Fearing for my life I grab a walking stick in the hall and bash the guy unconscious. That was self defence. Same situation but I reach over and grab my extendable baton, self defence tool thingy and bash the guy. I'm now getting charged with assault with a dangerous weapon. Self defence is based on being in fear and using what comes to hand. If you carry/possess specific weapons then you can't legitimately argue that they came to hand. You premeditated the use of a weapon bought for the purpose of harming someone. Just by a nice heavy walking stick (blackthorn is nice and hard).. Leave it in the hall. Job done.

Llap Goch!

paulbradley wrote:If you purchase an object labeled for sale as self defence then it rather prevents you from using it as such in UK law. Example. I am attacked on my doorstep. Fearing for my life I grab a walking stick in the hall and bash the guy unconscious. That was self defence. Same situation but I reach over and grab my extendable baton, self defence tool thingy and bash the guy. I'm now getting charged with assault with a dangerous weapon. Self defence is based on being in fear and using what comes to hand. If you carry/possess specific weapons then you can't legitimately argue that they came to hand. You premeditated the use of a weapon bought for the purpose of harming someone. Just by a nice heavy walking stick (blackthorn is nice and hard).. Leave it in the hall. Job done.

The law is indeed an ass!

If you injury an individual whom has attached you, then the only person responsible for the attackers injuries is the attacker themselves, anything else is ludicrous.

It can be argued that there is no malice aforethought in self defence, regardless of the implement used.
Unless you've invited a criminal into your home you have no way of anticipating needing to defend yourself, buying something to that effect would make no difference as your intent is never to have to use it.
This could become irrelevant if you go beyond "reasonable measures" when defending yourself, as the assumption would be that it was your intent, when purchasing your tactical pen, that you could cause more harm with it.
It could be said of you were carrying something out in public, that you were looking for trouble.

Geek wrote:

paulbradley wrote:If you purchase an object labeled for sale as self defence then it rather prevents you from using it as such in UK law. Example. I am attacked on my doorstep. Fearing for my life I grab a walking stick in the hall and bash the guy unconscious. That was self defence. Same situation but I reach over and grab my extendable baton, self defence tool thingy and bash the guy. I'm now getting charged with assault with a dangerous weapon. Self defence is based on being in fear and using what comes to hand. If you carry/possess specific weapons then you can't legitimately argue that they came to hand. You premeditated the use of a weapon bought for the purpose of harming someone. Just by a nice heavy walking stick (blackthorn is nice and hard).. Leave it in the hall. Job done.

The law is indeed an ass!

If you injury an individual whom has attached you, then the only person responsible for the attackers injuries is the attacker themselves, anything else is ludicrous.

SimG will have a better take on this and will me more accurate but I'm sure it goes like this. You can use ANY amount of force to protect yourself, another person or property as long as it's proportional to the threat, you can also arrest someone for committing a arrestable crime (as I said SimG will put this in better terms).

So if someone breaks into your home and you put two into their chest you will have to defend your actions, you will have to prove you were in fear of your life or someone else's and you used nessecary force to defend yourself.

There is also something known as a preemptive strike which you can use if you think someone is going to attack you, once again you have to defend your actions.

So put yoursel here, you're driving through Woolwich after a days shooting, you see a car swerve and run someone over. You get out to help and see two men hacking another to death on the road, they see you and start to come over covered in blood. You go into your boot and get out your .22 semi auto and one magazine which is loaded (you didn't use it and was going to put in your ammo cupboard until next time at the range).

What are your actions? and what do you think the law would do?

JUmp back in the car, so we're surrounded by plenty of steel, lock the doors and OOOOPS ! SCRUNCH ! Bumpity bump....

Paw slipped on the clutch and accelerator M'Lud

Some UK laws make it an offence to even offer for sale some items.

Looks like MidwayUK are immune to such trifling technicalities.
Quite a few banned things on their website: that fall into the " a criminal offence has been committed" bracket.

And I always thought it was the prices they charged that was criminal...

More reasons to shop elsewhere!

It could be said of you were carrying something out in public, that you were looking for trouble.

Whoever would say that is a complete d1ck! if you have any sense of self preservation you should be on the look out for trouble anyway - and avoiding if possible. Sad to say victims rarely have a choice as the attacker sets the scene and the victim has to ad-lib. To live in denial by saying "It won't happen to me" is just as daft. Walking about in complete oblivion is a sure fire way of attracting trouble from those seeking an easy target.

As said, the law is an ass inasmuch as something defensive is classified as OFFENSIVE to keep the scumbags safe and victims fresh for the slaughter.

Chuck wrote:

It could be said of you were carrying something out in public, that you were looking for trouble.

Whoever would say that is a complete d1ck! if you have any sense of self preservation you should be on the look out for trouble anyway - and avoiding if possible. Sad to say victims rarely have a choice as the attacker sets the scene and the victim has to ad-lib. To live in denial by saying "It won't happen to me" is just as daft. Walking about in complete oblivion is a sure fire way of attracting trouble from those seeking an easy target.

As said, the law is an ass inasmuch as something defensive is classified as OFFENSIVE to keep the scumbags safe and victims fresh for the slaughter.

The law should allow, self defence my any means including 'tools' i.e. pepper spray, batons etc. it should then just be use reasonable force.

In your home it should be ANYTHING YOU CHOOSE - even so called weapons