Chargeur de Carabine et de Cavalerie Modèle 1890 du premier (1ème) type
Chargeur Modèle 1890 du deuxième (2ème) type
Chargeur Modèle 1916 du premier (1ème) type
Chargeur Modèle 1916 du deuxième (2ème) type
Chargeur non identifié
It is believed this charger was one of the protypes submitted in March 1916 by Contrôleur Généraux Principaux Chossé which lost in the trials to the one submitted by Sous-Lieutenant Vibert in that same year
1. Établissement Delaunay-Belleville: made complete weapons ... Société Anonyme des Automobiles Delaunay-Belleville was formed in 1903 by Louis Delaunay and Marius Barbarou and was a French luxury automobile manufacturer from Saint Denis sur Seine, France. At the beginning of the 20th century they were among the most prestigious cars produced in the world, and perhaps the most desirable French marque. The Delaunay-Belleville were favorite automobiles of Russian Tsar Nicholas II, and other noblilities, King George I of Greece and King Alphonso XIII of Spain. By the late 1920s the Delaunay-Belleville had lost its prestige and converted to truck and military vehicles production. The factory was sold in 1946 to Robert de Rovin and was used to make the De Rovin minicars up to 1950. They made 159,912 complete Fusil d'Infanterie Modèle 1907-1915 and Fusil de Infanterie Modèle Modifié 1916 during The Great War ... Code: EDB
2. Établissement Continsouza: boîte de culasse ... Établissement Continsouza was created in 1909 by Pierre-Victor Continsouza which produced gramophones and cinematography equipmnent. In 1914 Monsieur Continsouza rented industrial buildings called l'Usine de la Marque in North-East part of Tulle to produce armaments for the war effort. After the war he moved his entire production of cinematography equipmnent to this location. He continued operations until May of 1928 when he merged with Éstablishments Louis Aubert to form a company called Mécanique Industrial de Precision (M.I.P.) but in 1929 he was forced to liquidate his assets to the Banque Nationale de Crédit (B.N.C.) and thus the name Établissements Continsouza disappears from history.
3. Avis and Co. (USA): made 43,500 barrels, contract was terminated before the end of production due to poor quality of the barrels.
4. Atelier Bariquand & Marre: têtes mobiles, extracteurs, chiens, manchons, visserie, goupilles et entretoises n'entrant pas dans la composition d'éléments complets ... Code: BM within a circle
5. Société des Automobiles Brasier: supports d'élévateur, gâchettes, manchons ... Code: B within a circle
6. Société des Anciens Établissements Chenard & Walker: pontet, vis de crochet, vis d'éjecteur, vis de gâchette ... Code: CW
7. Établissement Bliss & Cie: chargeurs
8. Société Anonyme des Anciens Établissements Cohendet & Cie à Paris: tenons à fourche pour mousquetons, ressort d'embouchoirs pour carabine de cavalerie ... Code: CO interlaced
9. R. Cornely & Cie: pieds de hausse.
10. Darracq & Cie: embouchoirs à quillon, battants de crosse, embases, pivots, écrous, rondelles, rivet, goupilles, anneaux de battant.
11. L. Delage & Cie: gâchettes, détentes, goupilles de détente, crochets de chargeur, poignées de baïonnette ... Code: LD
12. Delahaye & Cie: planches inférieure, ressorts à galet, galets, goupilles, détentes, gâchettes ... Code: D within a circle
13. Société Lorraine des Anciens Établissements de Dietrich & Cie, Lunéville: planches supérieure, cylindres de culasse, cylindres, vis d'assemblage ... Code: L within a circle
14. Établissements de Dion-Bouton: planches supérieure, cylindres de culasse, supports d'élévateur ... Code: DB
15. Société des Établissements Gaumont: pieds de hausse.
16. M. Guinard: ressorts de grenadière, ressorts de crochet et de gâchette, ressorts de percussion, ressorts de virole de baïonnette, planches de hausse, ressorts de hausse, ressorts de curseur.
17. Gaston Johnson: pontets, planches supérieure, planches inférieure, ressorts de planche inférieur, galets, vis de planche d'élévateur, goupilles de galet ... Code: J within a circle
18. Établissement Malicet & Blin: anneaux de grenadière, croisières de baïonnette.
19. Manufacture d'Etampage et de ferrure du Nord-Est: cylindres de fusil.
20. Manufacture Parisienne d'Armes et de Mécanique Générale: canons, culasses mobiles ... Code: MPA
21. F. Marinier: embouchoirs ... Code: MA
22. Société des Anciens Établissements Panhard & Levassor: chiens, percuteurs, ressorts de percussion, embouchoirs à quillon, viroles de poignée de baïonnette ... Code: PL
23. Société Générale des Établissements Pathé Frère: ressorts d'embouchoir, écrous, supports de vis de culasse, curseurs de hausse.
24. Société des Automobiles & Cycles Peugeot: lames de baïonnette, écrous de poignée, fourreaux de baïonnettes ... Code: P
25. Victor Pouzet: pontets ... Code: P
26. Automobiles Renault: pontets, supports d'élévateur, t^tes mobiles, percuteurs, éjecteurs, entretoises de pontet, poignées de baïonnette, visserie goupilles et entretoises n'entrant pas dans la composition d'éléments complets ... Code: R
27. Compagnie Française pour l'Exploitation des Procédés Thomson-Houston: gâchette.
28. Société des Automobiles Unic: planches inférieure, ressorts de planche supérieure, ressorts à galet, galets, goupilles.
29. Établissements Vibert-Truchon & Cie: boîtier de protection (mle 1916) ... Code: HVT Co
30. Établissements Zavaterro à Saint Bonnet le Château: plaques de couche, crosses.
31. M. Zavattero Frères: plaques de couche
32. Maison Pathé: planches de hausse
33. Établissements Boulland
34. Maison Dacheux Frères
35. Établissements Vilboeuf & Ladreyt
36. Société Anonyme (S.A). des Anciens Établissement L. Chambon ... Code: C
37. Clément Bayard ... Code: CB within a circle
Comité des Forges de France: pièces de forge ... This committee was created in 1864 by various master of forging mills to study and defend the professional interests of forging mills. It was reorganized in 1887-1888 and played a paramount role in the collective organization of the French iron and steel industry, in particular by the fixing of quotas of the production and the sharing of markets.
Remington Contract:
A contract was established with Remington Arms Company based in Ilion, New York sometime in late 1915 or early 1916 for an unknown quantity of Fusil d'Infanterie Modèle 1907-1915. (It is believed that no more than 100,000, according to French sources and according to Remington it claims the contract was originally for 200,000 rifles). The French state that 9,444 were supposedly delivered and as the official records from Remington are no longer around we will not really know what is true. Many of these rifles did not get to France for one reason or another, speculation to the actual cause for the rejection and subsequent cancellation of the contract run the gamut. Some say the war ended before they could be fully shipped, some say the had dimensional issues with the chambers and were rejected or they needed to be re-worked and by the time they did get it right the war ended. Other theories are that they had poor heat treatment of the receivers, the French changed the contract to make them into Fusil de Infanterie Modèle Modifié 1916 with the 5 shot extended magazines and the French refused to pay for the conversion. The most ridiculous suggestion is the French simply rejected them due to resentment of the growing influence of the United States! This ridiculous idea doesn't stand up to close scrutiny, either. At the time the contract was placed, the Allies, including the French, were in desperate need of small arms. Regardless of the cross Atlantic sentiments of today, during WWI, the French were more than happy to have as much help as the United States was prepared to provide.
What we do know is that a majority of the weapons made were sold after WWI to the American public through the DCM, the predecessor of the CMP. The ones that did make it to France were serialized upon inspection. What sketchy information does exist seems to indicate a maximum of perhaps 9,000 to 10,000 rifles that were actually received by the French Military are believed to have been inspected and rejected by the French. The rejected rifles were then reportedly sent to one of the French arsenals (reportedly MAC) where they were reworked. after which they were placed in stores as reserve weapons. An extremely small number of rifles were accepted and marked with French serial numbers have surfaced. The example in a collection bears an "E" serial number in the 6,000 range. This rifle, along with other serialized examples examined in Europe, would seem to support the numbers quoted in French sources.
Move the bolt back so far that the front lugs on the bolt head line up with wide slotted spaced area in the middle of the receiver that looks like a cut out
Remove the screw on top of the top strap foward of the bolt handle root
Now take the knurled and slotted firing pin retaining nut on the rear of the bolt,and rotate it clockwise (looking from rear) until it rotates the bolt head with its small retaining lug free from the rest of the bolt and rests against the near rear wall of the receiver
Now grasp the bolt and pull it out of the action (You don't need to pull the trigger) The small retaining lug on the bolt head will go up against that near rear wall and will help pull the bolt head free from the rest of the bolt assembly
Then simply remove the bolt head from the receiver
Now you have all three parts to the bolt
1.Bolt head
2.Bolt assembly
3.Bolt head retaining screw
Now you want to disassemble the rest of the bolt
You want to de-cock the bolt assembly by rotating the cocking piece to the left, allowing it to slide down the cocking cam
You will see how it should look when it de-cocks and compare to previous photo off when it came out of the weapon
Now here is the fun part of the disassembly
Take the bolt assembly to a piece of hardwood, place the firing pin against it and push on it rotating the firing pin retaining nut, so that the slot is parallel to the vertical axis of the cocking piece, the rear of the firing pin and firing pin retaining nut should emerge from the back of the bolt cocking piece,slide the retaining nut to one side or the other and it will become free. Now be careful as you are removing the tension from the other parts of the bolt as they are under heavy tension from spring and can hurt you
Now you have disassembled the bolt assembly
You will reverse the order when putting it back together again
To remove the magazine system out of the weapon do the following:
1. With a screwdriver of proper dimension, remove the screw located on the right side of the receiver, paying attention as to not damaging the wood with a too large screw driver bit.
2. Remove the screw behind the trigger guard ... this one is a regular type screw
3. Now pull the trigger guard in a downwards motion to remove it from the wood. The trigger mecanism and the magazine come with it.
To seperate the receiver/barrel from the wood
Now you can see two screws inside a plate that was hidden by the trigger guard. There is only one regular type screw, you remove that one screw only and the whole receiver/barrel will seperate from the wood.
The other special "fork" type screw you will leave in place ... DO NOT REMOVE
These screws were made this way so that the ordinary French soldier could not take that part off the weapon which was only to be done by the armourers at a main armament facility.
4. Remove the front and rear barrel bands
This is as far as you want to disassemble the weapon for normal cleaning and maintenance.
The assembly is more or less in the opposite order : When your receiver and you barrel are back in the wood, you can put the middle and front bands before screwing the receiver to the wood. Put the trigger guard in place. Put the screw of the right side of the receiver first, but don't screw it tightly. You will certainly have to press on the trigger guard to ease it. This screw is sometimes hard to put back in place. You finish by the screw of the trigger guard. When it is back in place, you can finish to screw the screw of the right side of the receiver.
In 1932 both Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Châtellerault (MAC) and Tulle (MAT) began work on this new conversion, to be called the Fusil d'Infanterie Modèle 1907-1915 Modifié 1934 or simply “M.34”, after a series of testing at both Camp de Châlons and Camp de Versailles it was adopted for service in early 1934. The weapon was to retain the typical Berthier lineage but was modified to the following major components: the barrel was replaced with a new 570 mm (22.4 inch) chambered for the Modèle 1929C à Balle Ordinaire otherwise know as the 7,5x54mm; both the front and rear sights were changed to reflect the change in the new caliber ballistics, the rear sight leaf and base was changed to a sliding ramp type which was graduated from 200 to 900 meters; the bolt head was replaced with one that was able to support the base of the rimless Modèle 1929C and a movable type ejector added; hand guards were added to the top of the barrel and with this a new lower barrel band and hand guard retaining ring near the receiver was used to hold it in place. The biggest modification however was the magazine system which was changed to a 5 round staggered-column box type with a spring loaded follower and solid floor plate. The top of the receiver was notched with charger guides so that the magazine could be loaded by the use of a charger/stripper clip. This new rifle was 1,075 mm (42.32 inch) in overall length and weighed 3,700 kg (8.15 pounds). There were two different variations made, one for the infantry and one for the cavalry. The difference between these two was the sling placement, the infantry model had the typical under mounted rear sling configuration and the cavalry model utilizing the sling bar and both had the concentric ring mounted on the left side of the weapon. Approximately 65,000 weapons were converted to this new system from 1935 to 1939 and 90% converted were the infantry version. The bayonet used on the models was either the Epée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915 Raccourci 1935 or Sabre-Baïonnette Modèle 1892-1915 depending on the variation of the model. Most of these rifles were issued to the Fortress Infantry such as those who were stationed on the Maginot Line.
More information can be found at this link: http://armesfrancaises.free.fr/FR%20Mle ... 20M34.html
F 131 - Left side of barrel: AEG,Circle 'B'; Right side of barrel: MAT 1935; Bottom of barrel: Circle 'B',E ... Waffenmapts are present under Circle 'B', under Mle, next to Cal 7,5 and on stock behind the triggerguard. Rear Sight: D2 ... owned by French moderator 1886lebel
F 64X - MAT 1936/5 metal AEG, ('LK5' marked on the right hand butt-flat)
F 1665 - MAT 1935, AEG, Circle B (Mismatched bolt and stock)
F 1715 - MAT 1935
F 47XX - (serial of a mismatching bolt)
F 9031 - MAT 1936 Left side barrel "AEG" Circle B, underside barrel "N", "E", Circle B, Underside of rear sight "N"
F 14707 - MAS 1936
F 16916 - AEG, MAT 1936 (+5, 'B', "E")
F 18134 - (Gazette des armes NA 221)
F 19437 - MAS 1936
F 220XX - AEG, MAT 1936 (+5, 'B', "E")
F 23111 - Unknown
F 24822 - MAS 1936 Left side barrel "RG", Bottom of barrel "E", "12", crest with "G"
F 27182 - MAS 1936 ("LK5")
F 316XX - Unknown
F 34734 - MAS 1937 (from seller's description Cut-away rifle)
F 34884 - MAS 1937 (Sporterized Stock)
F 36983 - MAS 1937 ("LK5")
F 485XX - MAT 1938
F 461XX - barrel MAT 1938 '-5'
F 497XX -- MAT 1938
F 501XX - barrel MAS 4/1938
F 50863 - MAS 1938
F 509XX - barrel MAT 1938
F 533XX - MAT 1938
F 53687 - MAT 1938/ no month (no '5') & ("LK5")
F 57213 - MAT 1939
F 57526 - Unknown
F 5754X - MAT 1939/ no month (no '5')
F 57695 - (Gazette des armes NA 221)
F 5811X - MAS 1938/12
F 599XX - MAT 1939
F 5XX21 - MAT 1939
F 6090X - MAS 1939/6 (Cut-away)
F 61059 - MAT 1939 (Upper L/H barrel, "C", circle "9")
F 61106 - Unknown
F 61241 - (Gazette des armes NA 221)
F 6302X - MAS not readable (Cavalry)
[quote="1886lebel"]Fusil de Infanterie Modèle 1907-1915 Modifié 1934
Vive La République Française, le Lebel et le poilu
Verdun 1916: "Ils ne Passeront pas" "On les aura!"
Fusil d'Infanterie Modèle 1886 Modifié 1893 dit "Lebel"
Vive le Pinard !
1886Lebel;
What an erudition..Chapeau, Monseur...
In the 50es, some colonial troops in AfriqueEquatoriale Française were still equipped with the 07-15 and Hotchkiss MGs. No 'Rosalie' however.
Let me, please, add a comment on your sihnature. The exoressions were:
'On les aura, les Boches!'
And:
'Vive le Pinard et les pommes de terre frites!" LOL....
The standard Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 was developed starting in January of 1886 for the new revolutionary smokeless powder rifle the Fusil d'Infanterie Modèle 1886 "Lebel" which would be the first French rifle to have the bayonet mounted directly underneath the barrel. These bayonets are 640mm (25.20 in) in overall length with a straight, bright steel 520mm (20.47 in) long 4-edge cruciform blade, 14mm (.55 in) diameter muzzle ring, metal grip, hooked quillion, steel cross-guard with a rounded checkered press-catch locking mechanism which weighed 400 grams (14.1 Oz.). The scabbards for these were made of blued steel, tubular in shape with an 11mm (.43 in) rounded ball tip and weighed 200 grams (7.05 Oz.).
During the years these bayonets were in service a few significant modifications took place and were as follows: On June 15th of 1888 the guidance pin for the spring of the locking ring was eliminated and the spring was lengthened from 6 to 7 spires. Prior to August of 1890 the bayonets had a false steel end-cap on the back of the handle which did not allow for the bayonet to be easily disassembled by the regimental armorer or regional support unit for parts replacement so these were eliminated by lengthening the blades hilt and using a rounded nut with 2 small square holes to help hold the grip to the pommel of the bayonet. In 1893 the locking lug was widened, the notch on the locking ring was enlarged and the thickness of the press button was slightly diminished to keep the protrusion constant despite the longer travel. There was some Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 that were shortened to a blade length of 340mm (13.39 in) prior to The Great War for Troupes Cyclistes (Bicycle Troops).
In December of 1914 Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Châtellerault Directeur, Lt. Colonel Jacquot proposed modifying the standard Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 for “trench” warfare, as well as easy of manufacturing steps with the complete removal of the quillion during the manufacturing process, not cut-off as has been rumored, and simplifying the bayonet latch release with a semi-rounded type. Général Lagrange, who was in charge of l’Inspection Permanente des Fabrications d’Artillerie refused to go along with these changes but was finally over-ruled by Général de Division Desaleux. These new changes were implemented starting in January of 1915 which changed the nomenclature of the bayonet to be called the Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915. Sometime during the war the scabbards were modified by drilling a 3mm hole in the bottom of the ball tip to allow debris and water to drain from the scabbard. It is believed that either in very late in WWI or during the 1920's or 30's some of the bayonets blades and cross-guards were blued.
After WWI the Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915 blades were shortened to a blade length of 400mm (15.75), all white metal parts blued, the scabbard was shortened to fit the new length of the blade and the rounded tip at the end of the scabbard was increased to 12.7mm (.50) instead of the original 11mm diameter. These new bayonets were to be called Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915 Raccourci 1935 and were mostly to be used with the following weapons: the Mousqueton de Artillerie Modèle 1886 Modifié 1893 Raccourci 1935, Mousqueton de Cavalerie Modèle 1886 Modifié 1893 Raccourci 1935 and Fusil de Infanterie Modèle 1907-1915 Modifié 1934. Note: Any other shortened bayonet that has less than a 400mm blade is not considered to be a R35 modification.
There is a Décret Ministériel (Ministerial Decree) from 1930 ordering the shortening of the Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915 blades to 300mm (11.81) specifically for the use with the two semi-automatic rifles (Fusil Service Automatique Modèle 1917 R.S.C. and Fusil Service Automatique Modèle 1918 R.S.C.) but was cancelled in 1933. There are some Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 and Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915 that have blades anywhere from 265mm (10.43) up to 400mm (15.75) and at this time it is not sure why these were done.
The grips for these bayonets were made in many different metals, prior to The Great War these were made in German nickel silver (bronze de nickel) or what is referred to as maillechort. On the 25th of October of 1914 German nickel silver was substituted with brass (laiton) or aluminum bronze (bronze d'aluminium) normally called tambak or jaune (yellow) and in July of 1917 steel (acier) and grey cast iron (fonte grise) handles substituted all previous metals. Cast iron was tested by Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Châtellerault in March of 1917 and was authorized because of easier cast ability by private industry companies.
These bayonets were called "Rosalie" by the French Poilus in honor of the Virgin of the Southern French town of Bayonne where supposedly bayonets were first used in 1655. The legend is that during the mid-17th century irregular military conflicts of rural France, the peasants of the Southern French town of Bayonne, who were Basques, having run out of powder and shot, rammed their long-bladed hunting knives into the muzzles of their muskets to fashion impromptu spears and, by necessity, created the Baïonnette.
In 1915 a steel wire breaker attachment was made for the bayonet which was slipped on to the blade of the bayonet that could cut barbed wire using the bullet of the rifle as it was fired. This device was called coupe barbelé système "FILLOUX" which was designed by Artillerie Lieutenant-Colonel L.J.F. Filloux who worked at Atelier de Construction de Bourges. These were marked with the month, the last two digits of the year and a circled capital letter B which showed these were made by Atelier de Construction de Bourges.
Both type of French made Épée-Baïonnettes and scabbards were marked with the serial number and either a script or block letter prefix which showed what Manufacture Nationale d'Armes made the bayonet. These will be marked on the left side of the quillon on the Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886, on the bottom of the cross-guard of the Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915 and on the frog strap bale of the scabbards.
1). Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Châtellerault (MAC) ... A,B,C,D,E
2). Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Saint Étienne (MAS) … F,G,H,J,K,L,M,N,P,Q
3). Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Tulle (MAT) ... R,S,T,U,V
4). Letter code X was used for instruction purposes only
The bayonets were also marked with a small quality control and the mark of acceptance into military service called Contrôleur Poinçons (controllers stamps) which was stamped on the bottom or side of blade and just above the frog strap bale on the scabbard. There were three different type of acceptance marks used: Directeur de Manufacture (Armory Director), Contrôleur Généraux Principaux (Principal Arms Inspector) and Contrôleur de 1ème, 2ème y 3 ème Classe (1st, 2nd and 3rd Class Controllers). Both the Directeur de Manufacture and Contrôleur Généraux Principaux marks will be found with a letter within a circle and Contrôleur de 1ème, 2ème y 3 ème Classe will be found with a letter within a shield. Other letters and numbers are marked at various places on the bayonet in which some of these are the private companies that made parts for these during the war and others are most likely are some sort of inspectors markings, more research is needed into this. There are some bayonets that are marked with what appears to be naval anchors which meant that these were issued to the French Colonial Forces called Troupes Coloniales, which were military forces that garrisoned and were largely recruited from the vast French Colonial Empire.
Some bayonet parts were made by private companies during the Great War such as:
1). L. Delage & Cie which made grips and were marked with code: LC on the grip
2). M. Guinard which made the springs for the rotating collar latch
3). Établissement Malicet & Blin which made cross-guards and were marked with code: M
4). Société des Anciens Établissements Panhard & Levassor which made the rotating collar latch and were marked with code: PL on the part
5). Société des Automobiles & Cycles Peugeot which made the blades, grip screw and scabbards and these will be marked with code: P on those parts
6). Automobiles Renault which made grip and were marked with code: R on the grip
7). Maison Vichard et Conge: 30,000 blades
Blades also have been encountered with the following codes: CF, C&P, GR, S.C. and SG and handles also have been encountered with an intertwined B and M. It is unknown at this time whom these private contractors were.
During WWI Remington Arms Company which was based in Ilion, New York was contracted to make Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915 for the French military, most of these bayonets will not have any markings on them at all as very few of these were sent to France during the Great War. The grips on these bayonets were made of a unknown type of German nickel silver as well as brass that was “pinkish or salmon” in color. The grips on the bayonets had a slightly less pronounced contoured grip closer to the cross-guard.
Many of the other countries during the Great War or after such as Belgium, Bulgaria, Finland, Greece, Italy, Serbia, Russia who had been sold or used various French rifles also used these bayonets. After WWI ended the newly created nation of Poland was sold, by the French, many of both type of these bayonets which were used during the Polish-Soviet War (1919-1921) and later during the Polish Invasion of 1939.
These bayonets were called Bagnetowy Wzor 1886/93 and were usually marked at the back of the pommel with following markings: Wz86/91 or Wz86/93.
Germany also used many of these from captured stocks or from enemy prisoners of war during both World Wars, these bayonets are usually marked with the regimental unit which used them on the side or inside the top groove of the grip.
During WWII the Germans also shortened both types of Épée-Baïonnettes to an overall length of 460mm (18.11) with a blade length of 342mm (13.46) for usage with their occupation forces. The Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 that were modified by the Germans were to be called the Seitengewehr 102(f) and the Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915 to be called the Seitengewehr 103(f).
In all of the photographic evidence seen by myself and other French Firearms Collectors the Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 was only really used on the Fusil d'Infanterie Modèle 1886 Modifié 1893 "Lebel" and the Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1886 Modifié 1915 was used on both the Fusil de Infanterie Modèle 1907-1915 and Fusil de Infanterie Modèle Modifié 1916.
Épée-Baïonnette Modèle 1890, 1902 and 1907
These bayonets also featured a long, straight, bright steel 520mm long 4-edge cruciform blade and a hooked quillion. The main difference in these was that locking mechanism was located in the pommel which connected with the bayonet bar to attach the bayonet to the weapon.
1890 … These were to be used for the Carabine de Gendarmerie Modèle 1890; these featured a groove that extends down the left side of the bayonet grip to allow clearance for the brass-tipped clearing rod. All grips were made of German nickel silver (bronze de nickel) or what is referred to as maillechort. These have a 13mm diameter muzzle ring.
1902 … These were to be used for the Fusil de Tirailleur Indochinois Modèle 1902; these featured a groove that extends down the left side of the bayonet grip to allow clearance for the brass-tipped clearing rod. The bayonet was found to be too long for these smaller stature soldiers and was shortened in 1912 from 520mm (20.4 inch) to 420mm (16.5 inch) to better accommodate them. All grips were made of German nickel silver (bronze de nickel) or what is referred to as maillechort. These have a 13mm diameter muzzle ring.
1907 … These were to be used for the Fusil de Tirailleur Sénégalais "Colonial" Modèle 1907; these did not have the groove that extended down the the left side of the bayonet grip. All grips were made of German nickel silver (bronze de nickel) or what is referred to as maillechort. These have a 14mm diameter muzzle ring.
Interestingly I was talking quite recently to someone who uses a 'Rosalie' to this day on a lathe similar to one of mine, the use? Well he makes bagpipes and uses the cruciform bayonet to cut tapers in wood for part of the bagpipes.....
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ovenpaa wrote:Interestingly I was talking quite recently to someone who uses a 'Rosalie' to this day on a lathe similar to one of mine, the use? Well he makes bagpipes and uses the cruciform bayonet to cut tapers in wood for part of the bagpipes.....
