A Disarmed Society

[Harrier1980]

it has just occurred to me, as a member of the general public with a SGC, can you buy baton rounds?

[Chuck]

You tried to buy a BATON recently.......ASP types and Ton-Fa's /nightsticks are now scary things and look as though they are not allowed in the hands ofd potential victims. LOL. Even if you could get baton rounds you couldn't use them...

Anyway, here's how it should be http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/0 ... d%3D124743

Posing for the photo is a no no.

[ronboy]

Hi a while ago Myleen Klass was washing up at in the kitchen, when a couple of men were trying to break into an out building. She said she waved a kithen knife at them, from the kitchenthat was all. The police questioned her about using an offensive weapon and I believe she was pregnant at the time.

[Blackstuff]

it has just occurred to me, as a member of the general public with a SGC, can you buy baton rounds?

If they were available they would be FAC cartridges as they would have 'less than 5 pieces of shot' in them :G I've wondered what would happen if the police caught you with a damaged #6 birdshot cartridge where all the shot apart from one had fallen out?? :roll:

[Chuck]

ronboy, (only joking barney) your local police - keping the streets safe for criminals of all kinds.. Your politicians like you to be disarmed - funnily enough so do criminals and for the same sick reasons.

[Sandgroper]

it has just occurred to me, as a member of the general public with a SGC, can you buy baton rounds?

If they were available they would be FAC cartridges as they would have 'less than 5 pieces of shot' in them :G I've wondered what would happen if the police caught you with a damaged #6 birdshot cartridge where all the shot apart from one had fallen out?? :roll:

What about the Less Lethal option like beanbag rounds?

http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... bag-round/

BTW these two aren't the sharpest tools in the box!


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Might make an intruder think twice especially if the follow up was something a bit heavier! :-P

[Chuck]

Idiots in both caes.. I am all for bean rounds......If I can keep them in the tin when I fire them at bad people...

[Harrier1980]

Oh well, just a thought. there is always the paintball gun.

[Harrier1980]

If they were available they would be FAC cartridges as they would have 'less than 5 pieces of shot' in them :G I've wondered what would happen if the police caught you with a damaged #6 birdshot cartridge where all the shot apart from one had fallen out?? :roll:

not this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fiocc ... ckshot.jpg

although I found this on fourten.net (very old site)
e.g. in the UK, Slug and Ball (Buckshot) loaded ammo is classed as 'Section 1' (Firearm) ammo and shotgun barrels must exceed 24".

[Porcupine]

I would. Not so sure about others. It's hard to make generalizations. I know a lot of non-gun people who say things like "If guns were legal I'd buy one," or who keep swords, bats etc next to their beds/front doors in lieu of a gun, or carry knives, flashlights, batons etc for self-defence day to day. On the other hand I know a lot of non-gun people who say they'd never want a gun or wouldn't necessarily mind having a gun but don't think they'd ever actually be able to shoot anyone. Of course you get both kinds in the US as well (albeit without having to think 'if only it were legal...'). I'd imagine the balance is shifted one way on one side of the pond, the other on this side.

I've said before that one of the most damaging consequences of gun control (on both gun people and non-gun people) is the mental harm it does; the way it conditions people. For non-gun people guns become alien; the terrifying unknown, coloured by their inevitably negative portrayal in the media. And with gun control in place the only thing they ever hear about real guns is how bad they are; the murders and the suicides and the accidents. With gun control they never hear about anyone defending themselves with a gun because it never happens.

For gun people, guns become such an object of control and reverence that they are imagined to be something they are not, treated like atom bombs that might explode at any moment, and with so much gratitude to our masters... "I'm responsible enough to own a gun, I went through all this trouble to get a license and I've had so many years of experience, but these normal people could never be trusted, there'd be blood in the streets." Even gun owners seem to become scared of their guns' shadows. Scared of putting a gun in a holster as if it might devour their leg, of pointing it down range with more than ten degrees elevation as if it might go off and destroy the international space station. Start to believe that it's actually a bad thing not to lock your guns away like a good little slave child.

I don't see how being able to defend one's self could have made the riots worse. That hasn't been the case with unrest in the US (LA Riots especially, and also Katrina) where armed store and home owners have successfully defended themselves and kept rioters or looters away.