NRA hand loading survey

[dromia]

Just look at the duplicate RCO courses they are now running, take a course before you can take the course.

This was not the NRA's doing. I stand to be corrected but as I understand it the MoD wondered how the civvies could be taught in a weekend what it takes them a week to do. The compromise was the new RSO and RCO course in 3 or 4 days, missing out some bits that civvies aren't allowed or able to do.

Aye this is another of the NRA's failures to negotiate sense with the MoD and could also be coloured by the NRA's "Money, money money" policy.

What experience tells us is that if our "national" bodies are involved then gunowners and shooters will be shafted merrily and with gay abandon on our behalf.

[GeeRam]

Just look at the duplicate RCO courses they are now running, take a course before you can take the course.

This was not the NRA's doing. I stand to be corrected but as I understand it the MoD wondered how the civvies could be taught in a weekend what it takes them a week to do. The compromise was the new RSO and RCO course in 3 or 4 days, missing out some bits that civvies aren't allowed or able to do.

Aye this is another of the NRA's failures to negotiate sense with the MoD

That would depend on whether there was ever any chance of negotiation with MOD........there seems to be an increasing attitude of, "take it, or leave it" from the MOD side of the fence, and its play by our rules, or go elsewhere attitude (which of course, elsewhere barely exists outside of Bisley and the all too few commercial or private ranges)

[dromia]

The MoD's attitude has been like that towards the NRA for years. Whose to blame for the falling out I don't know but as you say with a take it or leave attitude then one could reasonably expect the NRA to be doing more to address the lack of facilities nationally so the we don't have the dependence on the MoD. However the "national" bodies have their heads well and truly up their arses and plod along merrily hoping the no MoD shooting day will never come.

[FB66]

I have filled mine in last night. Agree with Dormia it sounds ominous. I can see it being added to SSC along with HME and oh extra £100 for the privilege.

Some of the questions like How did you learn?which books and software seem a phishing exercise. The one about have you been involved in an incdient was weird.

[GeeRam]

The MoD's attitude has been like that towards the NRA for years. Whose to blame for the falling out I don't know but as you say with a take it or leave attitude then one could reasonably expect the NRA to be doing more to address the lack of facilities nationally so the we don't have the dependence on the MoD. However the "national" bodies have their heads well and truly up their arses and plod along merrily hoping the no MoD shooting day will never come.

Well, yes, that is a fair point.

[lapua338]

There's nothing the NRA can teach me about hand loading ammunition.

What makes the NRA the arbiters of best practice?

Is this another attempt by the NRA to increase the scope of the organisations influence?

[Blackstuff]

Does the MOD/Landmarc care if a rifle happens to blow up on one of their ranges? Aside from some paperwork surely any costs would have to be borne by the shooting clubs insurance? Who provides the insurance....

As an aside, with the current events in Ukraine/Russia, the MOD might find itself in dire need of the NRA/civvie shooters and trainers very shortly...

[DaveT]

Ditto on Lapua commentary.

I teach reloading at a local gunshop and whilst we can all get behind continuous learning as reloading tools and practices advance I struggle to see the NRA as the best single point of knowledge...if that is their intent.

[Plumose]

Ditto on Lapua commentary.

I teach reloading at a local gunshop and whilst we can all get behind continuous learning as reloading tools and practices advance I struggle to see the NRA as the best single point of knowledge...if that is their intent.

I did Dave's course a few years ago and have only reloaded for straight walled pistol cartridges since, I know I would want to either do a refresh or get some mentoring before reloading for my 6.5 Creedmoor (I just haven't shot it enough to invest in the dies etc.).

If a club level assessment could be done (in a similar way to the SCC) would that keep most people happy do you think?

[dromia]

Things like this should not be about making people happy, which it is. It should be about safety, which it will no doubt be claimed to be an 'twill be just another lie 'tween the NRA and the MoD.

It the same daftness of thinking the keeps the proof house robbing us.

Or the RCO daftness when a totally superfluous course has to be taken just because the MoD didn't think the one course long enough regardless of comparing apples and oranges with the key issue of content seemingly being ignored by both parties.

Positively Kafkaesque.