section one robinson arms xcr

[snayperskaya]

This rifle uses a long stroke ak type gas system ! Most modern rifles use a short stroke gas system

Nothing wrong with that Tovarisch, only two parts on AK system......the gas piston and bolt carrier compared to piston, operating rod (sometimes two) and rod return spring in a short stroke gas system.Easiest and cheapest option is direct impingement

[Sixshot6]

This rifle uses a long stroke ak type gas system ! Most modern rifles use a short stroke gas system

Nothing wrong with that Tovarisch, only two parts on AK system......the gas piston and bolt carrier compared to piston, operating rod (sometimes two) and rod return spring in a short stroke gas system.Easiest and cheapest option is direct impingement

Wasn't the Swedish Jungman the first DI gun to exist? I keep hearing people say (based on the first M16's) that DI is not that reliable yet the Jungman system was used in Artic weather and later in Egypt in two rifles, one of which used 7.62x39 (right before they went to AK's built on Russian machinery). So there must be something in it.

The hakim rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakim_Rifle

And the Rasheed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasheed_Carbine

Have you come across these in your travels?

And less I forget, the MAS 49

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAS-49_rifle

All Di's are reliable as anything if believe so?

[Sixshot6]

- The lever release system appears to be the bolt release system and by the short clip looks to work faster than the sgc lever release (something is done to help it retain a gas system but still require that manipulation after each shot)

Is there another clip other than the one showing a single release of the bolt (shot close up from the right hand side)? Its just that clip makes it looks like it takes significant effort to release the bolt and I'd imagine would tire your trigger finger quite quickly. I don't follow how it would be faster than either the SGC or MARS guns; providing you have the timing (which I don't ) you can get a SGC lever gun to fire and reload almost instantly, there would be a definite pause with this (as shown on the FB clip) due to the movement of the trigger finger. A larger lever might help make it easier.

I like the base rifle, I'm glad there's another alternative (hopefully) coming to market and its infinitely better looking than the VZ58, but the way the action works doesn't excite me at all. Trigger release, for me, is the best way forward for these types of rifle. After that I'd prefer the release to be operated by the support hand so you can just leave the trigger hand to do the job its supposed to be doing. I suppose if you're shooting this rifle off a bipod you could operate the lever on the other side of the gun with your support hand but that wouldn't really be an option shooting it in any other position.

Pistol caliber release/self-ejecting rifles please manufacturers!!

I'll be sure to ask a bit more about it, they are offering to let people come and try before it goes to market (I was told I can view one in Rugby).

Maybe the start of things to come.

Also the clip is in slow motion. Everything has to be in bullet time these days, thanks Matrix.

[Blackstuff]

It was more the finger joint going white that 'concerned' me.

DI is just a lot dirtier than a gas piston, you've got the gas system to clean like with a gas piston, but then also the inside of the receiver(s), mag well and chamber. Plus if you fit a moderator/use pokey loads you get a not-so-pleasant face full of gas. Gas piston is definitely the way to go

[Sixshot6]

It was more the finger joint going white that 'concerned' me.

DI is just a lot dirtier than a gas piston, you've got the gas system to clean like with a gas piston, but then also the inside of the receiver(s), mag well and chamber. Plus if you fit a moderator/use pokey loads you get a not-so-pleasant face full of gas. Gas piston is definitely the way to go

Come to think of it, didn't Scott do a run of 300 blk MARs actions that would have been great for moderating?

Did actually read a bit more, sounds like a thumb option is possible too.

And for both sides too, sounds at the least like they are trying to make it ambidextrous as much as possible.

[joe]

these sorts of ar-15 hybrid or whatever have been done before such as sig MCX
looks interesting if he doesnt jack up the price beyound £2800 then i will look into it !
however the slight concern is if robinson arms goes under in the future ! its only a small company.

[Sixshot6]

these sorts of ar-15 hybrid or whatever have been done before such as sig MCX
looks interesting if he doesnt jack up the price beyound £2800 then i will look into it !
however the slight concern is if robinson arms goes under in the future ! its only a small company.

Plenty of small companies survive do well, CSA is not a large company remember. Hell I've actually wondered if Robinson Arms had another agenda, what with the laws in places like NY, CA and CT. I've had many conversations with American's in those places that have had the same conversation so it's something that has entered minds.

[Hunter87]

If that was a trigger release I would be throwing my money at them.

[Sixshot6]

I'm still waiting on an email, but they are offering to let people see it demoed in action, so very open and seem confident.

[dave_303]

Wasn't the Swedish Jungman the first DI gun to exist? I keep hearing people say (based on the first M16's) that DI is not that reliable yet the Jungman system was used in Artic weather and later in Egypt in two rifles, one of which used 7.62x39 (right before they went to AK's built on Russian machinery). So there must be something in it.

No it wasn't the French were experimenting with DI guns in the early 1900s and if I recalled the adopted (a produced in limited numbers) Meunier A6 was a DI gun.