Sections of What???

[Sixshot6]

The fact is that The Firearms Act of 1968 AND all t

The Act only restricts the number of rounds in the magazine, not the maximum within the gun. You can for example 'ghost load' a pump or auto and have a total of 4 cartridges in the gun. If the gun had some bizarre double/triple/quuad barrel layout you could also have more in the gun, just as long as there was only 2 in the magazine

Don't forget using small cartridges in a magnum chambered shotgun too.

Nope that would be illegal as there would be more than 2 cartridges in the magazine[/quote]

Really? I did have this conversation with an FEO once and he said the issue of being able to was brought up, but was decided to be left alone. I guess being able to do it and actually do it are two different things then. It boils down to intent then, otherwise people would be in trouble when taking a ruger 10/22 barrel and receiver thats a length like 12 inches so they can put it in a new stock. My bad.

What about those triple barrel shotguns? Would a version of that be section 2 with the right barrel length? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g080CNxRsiw

[Blackstuff]

IMO they would be S2 if the barrels were 24" or more, or S1 if the barrel was between 12"-23.99". Less than that would be S5.

[Sim G]

Two cartridges in the magazine tube has been stated that two of the maximum chamber length the gun was designed for. You may very well be able to fit three 2.5" cartridges in a 3.5" chambered mag tube and using it as such is not deemed illegal. Just another anomaly. In fact years ago I was told by the HO that the two round restriction for section 2 was supposed to be a maximum of two cartridges full stop, intending that section two would be strictly limited to sxs, o/u and single barrel. A civil servant messed up but then deemed too difficult to amend once the Act went through.

[bradaz11]

IMO they would be S2 if the barrels were 24" or more, or S1 if the barrel was between 12"-23.99". Less than that would be S5.

yep, that sounds right. as it has no magazine.

afaik with semi/ pump s2 shotguns, their tube should not be able to hold more than 2 shells the size of the guns chamber. as if you had a 3" chambered pump, you would be able to fit in 4 home made 1.5" shells. it probably wouldn't feed them, but you would be able to do it, so there's got to be some rationale behind it. if you did do that, you would be breaking the law anyway.

[Sim G]

if you did do that, you would be breaking the law anyway.

You wouldn't be.

[bradaz11]

why not? surely if you did, you would be using it in a way other than in accordance with your ticket?

[Sim G]

The s2 magazine restriction is a physical aspect that defines the gun at the point where it becomes controlled by certificate. Your use of it, a along as maintaining the physical characteristics of the section and during a lawful activity is not controlled, nor prescribed. There is no condition on your certificate that says you can only two cartridges into the magazine. As said, you may very well be able to load three 2.5" in a 3.5" mag, but that's just the anomaly of having the magazine restricted to be only able to take two of the 3.5" that it's chambered for. Nothing says you can't.

Likewise, using the logic that you can't load anymore that stipulated, why have a restriction? If I had a 10 shot Remington on s2 (remember hypothetically) then it could remain s2 as long as I didn't load more than 2 cartridges in the tube.

But it's not the use that's controlled, just the physical aspect in relation to its chambering. The conditions on my SGC relate to notification of address and transfer of a gun, and the security of such. There are no conditions of use, particularly in relation to mag capacity.

[bradaz11]

ok, that sounds pretty feasible and sensible.

my argument for the restriction would be that the restriction is the main control, but the backup stipulation would be i dotting and t crossing. to make sure you couldn't sneak around it. But if that isn't what it says, it's not what it says, so fair enough.

I still wouldn't advise ppl that they are fine loading 3 if they can fit them in though (not saying you are)

[Sixshot6]

ok, that sounds pretty feasible and sensible.

my argument for the restriction would be that the restriction is the main control, but the backup stipulation would be i dotting and t crossing. to make sure you couldn't sneak around it. But if that isn't what it says, it's not what it says, so fair enough.

I still wouldn't advise ppl that they are fine loading 3 if they can fit them in though (not saying you are)

At this point you could actually get five in maybe. 3 in the in mag using this method, 1 in th chamber and ghost load a fifth. But Sim's telling the truth, I've had this confirmed to me by people in the know.