Air Rifles Now Need Licenses In Scotland

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Laurie

Re: Air Rifles Now Need Licenses In Scotland

#51 Post by Laurie »

That seems more likely, also what about deaths, people die of natural causes and stuff gets forgotten about.
That was also the subject of a staistical study done many years ago pre Dunblane. Based on the number of souvenir pistols from two world wars plus a fair number of smaller conflicts handed in at amnesties or just handed over police station counters at any time by relatives clearing out their parents' or other deceased relatives' houses, and given that by no means all would be declared, a figure of getting on for around two million such weapons was estimated to be illegally held in the UK.

With x scores of thousands B&Es per annum, a small percentage, but still a fair number of these handguns would likely be discovered and stolen by professional criminals each year and their loss was hardly likely to be reported!

In my railway industry days, a senior operations manager I knew well started on BR at the tail end of the station master era and his first managerial job was a bunch of small stations on the Manningtree to Harwich branch line. This was an emergency posting without handover as the previous incumbent had died suddenly of a heart attack. My friend's first job was the usual one - clearing out 40 years worth of out of date paperwork, wagon sheet and sack returns and suchlike, but one drawer on the large Victorian desk in his main station office was locked and there was no key that fitted it. On forcing it, the reason became clear - a mint P'08 in a German Army WW1 leather holster with two magazines, both loaded. I asked what he did with it - some village pond after dark!
Sixshot6

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#52 Post by Sixshot6 »

Laurie wrote:
That seems more likely, also what about deaths, people die of natural causes and stuff gets forgotten about.
That was also the subject of a staistical study done many years ago pre Dunblane. Based on the number of souvenir pistols from two world wars plus a fair number of smaller conflicts handed in at amnesties or just handed over police station counters at any time by relatives clearing out their parents' or other deceased relatives' houses, and given that by no means all would be declared, a figure of getting on for around two million such weapons was estimated to be illegally held in the UK.

With x scores of thousands B&Es per annum, a small percentage, but still a fair number of these handguns would likely be discovered and stolen by professional criminals each year and their loss was hardly likely to be reported!

In my railway industry days, a senior operations manager I knew well started on BR at the tail end of the station master era and his first managerial job was a bunch of small stations on the Manningtree to Harwich branch line. This was an emergency posting without handover as the previous incumbent had died suddenly of a heart attack. My friend's first job was the usual one - clearing out 40 years worth of out of date paperwork, wagon sheet and sack returns and suchlike, but one drawer on the large Victorian desk in his main station office was locked and there was no key that fitted it. On forcing it, the reason became clear - a mint P'08 in a German Army WW1 leather holster with two magazines, both loaded. I asked what he did with it - some village pond after dark!
Well you wouldn't know what would happen if you took it to a police station, could have ended up arrested on a bad day. If you want to get the police involved, when in doubt.... don't touch, call them stay there and say I found it and had no knowledge, but make sure you don't disturb it. Or village pond after dark, less trouble.
Laurie

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#53 Post by Laurie »

Nah ... things were a lot simpler back then (early 60s) - nobody would have arrested you. The time spent taking statements etc, well that was a different matter. The guy just wanted to get back to his digs and have tea, so he tossed it on the way home.
Sixshot6

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#54 Post by Sixshot6 »

Laurie wrote:Nah ... things were a lot simpler back then (early 60s) - nobody would have arrested you. The time spent taking statements etc, well that was a different matter. The guy just wanted to get back to his digs and have tea, so he tossed it on the way home.
True, has anyone actually come across a dead relatives undeclared pre 1988 multi shot shotgun at all? Some pumps and semis with short barrels become section 5 though? Wasn't there a grace period to lengthen the barrels? I only ask as some people used to question a shop in Sheffield that had a Spas 12. Apparently the Spas, had once had a folding stock at some stage but on sale had a fixed stock.
saddler

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#55 Post by saddler »

Sixshot6 wrote:
Laurie wrote:Nah ... things were a lot simpler back then (early 60s) - nobody would have arrested you. The time spent taking statements etc, well that was a different matter. The guy just wanted to get back to his digs and have tea, so he tossed it on the way home.
True, has anyone actually come across a dead relatives undeclared pre 1988 multi shot shotgun at all? Some pumps and semis with short barrels become section 5 though?
Sort of...and within the last year....darn sarf 'twas

An advert on Guntrader, of several pre-88 shotguns, i.e. a Rem 1100 with a 22" barrel, plus a few other such multi-shots from the VERY early PSG days.
Seems the sellers father had been an RFD, he'd recently died, and the son decided to liquidate the safe contents on-line as he was not aware that an RFD business was not automatically transferable to next in line. I recall one was a fully tricked up 20-ga with all the mid-80's add on goodness too!

Aye - post '88 semi/pumps need a 24" min. barrel length plus a 40" min. overall length....still good fun though :good:
Sixshot6

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#56 Post by Sixshot6 »

saddler wrote:
Sixshot6 wrote:
Laurie wrote:Nah ... things were a lot simpler back then (early 60s) - nobody would have arrested you. The time spent taking statements etc, well that was a different matter. The guy just wanted to get back to his digs and have tea, so he tossed it on the way home.
True, has anyone actually come across a dead relatives undeclared pre 1988 multi shot shotgun at all? Some pumps and semis with short barrels become section 5 though?
Sort of...and within the last year....darn sarf 'twas

An advert on Guntrader, of several pre-88 shotguns, i.e. a Rem 1100 with a 22" barrel, plus a few other such multi-shots from the VERY early PSG days.
Seems the sellers father had been an RFD, he'd recently died, and the son decided to liquidate the safe contents on-line as he was not aware that an RFD business was not automatically transferable to next in line. I recall one was a fully tricked up 20-ga with all the mid-80's add on goodness too!

Aye - post '88 semi/pumps need a 24" min. barrel length plus a 40" min. overall length....still good fun though :good:
So was there a grace period to lengthen the barrels and having seen that done to some new mossberg's when they come in the country sometimes tell's me they are treated a bit differently from other potential section 5 jobbies. the OAL for pumps and semis was why I suggested the Alder Lever action saddler, be almost like the pre 88 days.
Sixshot6

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#57 Post by Sixshot6 »

No one answered my question about the SPAS 12 either? Or does no one have an answer to that?
saddler

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#58 Post by saddler »

Sixshot6 wrote:No one answered my question about the SPAS 12 either? Or does no one have an answer to that?
Aye.
Initial factory spec. SPAS12s have a folding stock...the ones I see these days have a fixed buttstock.

There was a run up period to the new changes coming in.
Gave folk time to find non-folding stocks & have barrels lengthened & whatever else needed doing.
Sixshot6

Re: Air Rifles Now Need Licenses In Scotland

#59 Post by Sixshot6 »

saddler wrote:
Sixshot6 wrote:No one answered my question about the SPAS 12 either? Or does no one have an answer to that?
Aye.
Initial factory spec. SPAS12s have a folding stock...the ones I see these days have a fixed buttstock.

There was a run up period to the new changes coming in.
Gave folk time to find non-folding stocks & have barrels lengthened & whatever else needed doing.
That's what I thought, weld a brake on and put a fixed stock and all was well. Plus didn't some get imported like that post 1988?
saddler

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#60 Post by saddler »

Sixshot6 wrote:
saddler wrote:
Sixshot6 wrote:No one answered my question about the SPAS 12 either? Or does no one have an answer to that?
Aye.
Initial factory spec. SPAS12s have a folding stock...the ones I see these days have a fixed buttstock.

There was a run up period to the new changes coming in.
Gave folk time to find non-folding stocks & have barrels lengthened & whatever else needed doing.
That's what I thought, weld a brake on and put a fixed stock and all was well. Plus didn't some get imported like that post 1988?
Not welding. ...takes it out if proof....brazing is the way to add more metal to a barrel
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