Thinking of voting Green?

[Sixshot6]

Prohibited weapons
The most dangerous weapons will be prohibited. These include handguns, multi-shot and high calibre weapons. There will be a complete ban on the private ownership/possession of all automatic and semi-automatic firearms. A suitably constituted Gun Safety Advisory Committee will regularly review which weapons are prohibited.

Like we don't have all this already - and just WHO would that "advisory" committe be? Oh them of course because they know what's best for everyone.

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Strangely when they were given power sharing in the Republic of Ireland, things worked out that well that they lost all their TD's in Leinster house. Even Sein Fein appears to be more sensible than them. The thinking goes sure, they're mostly ex-terrorists and apologists but won't completely feck things up. Sad but that appears to be how things are going. I'm bloody scared for the future of things.

[Dougan]

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Because on the whole mankind is greedy and selfish...?

[Sixshot6]

Still Dougan, your point about Antibiotics reminds me of how my Great Grandmother according to my father was given what he described as shopping bag full of Antidepressants by her GP. It was a quick fix to all the times my Grandmother had to find her mother (my great gran) and her sister trying to commit suicide with their heads in the oven (good thing ovens these days aren't full gas like back then, makes it more difficult to try that).

The point is, she was over prescribed. Who's fault was it. Party the structure of the NHS, had the system been designed along Beveridge's reports actually recommendation of adopting a system seen similar to what the Swedes and Germans had, that might not have occurred (though the German's were tricked into giving Thalidomide and look what that led to).

I've half inclined to believe what has happened with Anti bio's is party a result of how the Health Service has been run, unless someone can show me a study of how's it done in other countries, then I'll accept I'm wrong. Sometimes you have to blame the structures in place after all.

[Dougan]

I've half inclined to believe what has happened with Anti bio's is party a result of how the Health Service has been run, unless someone can show me a study of how's it done in other countries, then I'll accept I'm wrong. Sometimes you have to blame the structures in place after all.

There are a couple of reasonable explanations about the overuse of antibiotics and other drugs - One is that doctors are encouraged to prescribe them by the companies who make them (bit of a no-brainer that one) - The other is that doctors often have a hard time refusing patients demands...there was a recent study done where an alarmingly high number of British doctors admitted to prescribing drugs when a placebo would have, in their opinion, had the same effect.

[Sixshot6]

I've half inclined to believe what has happened with Anti bio's is party a result of how the Health Service has been run, unless someone can show me a study of how's it done in other countries, then I'll accept I'm wrong. Sometimes you have to blame the structures in place after all.

There are a couple of reasonable explanations about the overuse of antibiotics and other drugs - One is that doctors are encouraged to prescribe them by the companies who make them (bit of a no-brainer that one) - The other is that doctors often have a hard time refusing patients demands...there was a recent study done where an alarmingly high number of British doctors admitted to prescribing drugs when a placebo would have, in their opinion, had the same effect.

Badabing Badaboom, you hit the nail right on the head there. A combination of Corporatism and spineless doctors who thought it would have been better to not actually do their professional job. Mind sometimes it is better to take the blue pill after all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTUAj00pSZY

That's the first port of call of NHS waste, stop prescribing drugs people don't need. If telling them to go and have chicken soup, a lie down and watch the freak baiting show (aka Jeremy Kyle) while getting better then so be it. Besides reducing resistance to certain drugs, it must be costing the NHS a fortune. I actually remember a campaign to stop people asking for AntiBios when they were clearly not needed. We need another one of those too.

[Chuck]

Antibiotic overuse is a problem here too, not just the UK (and USA??). The mentality here is that antibiotics cure everything!

Because on the whole mankind is greedy and selfish...?

Some more than others: we have always had greed and selfishness it's just that certain societies have developed that way pretty quickly recently. Despite what the greens (and others) think, more taxes will not solve everything - quite the opposite.

[Sixshot6]

Antibiotic overuse is a problem here too, not just the UK (and USA??). The mentality here is that antibiotics cure everything!

Because on the whole mankind is greedy and selfish...?

Some more than others: we have always had greed and selfishness it's just that certain societies have developed that way pretty quickly recently. Despite what the greens (and others) think, more taxes will not solve everything - quite the opposite.

Dead right Chuck, the whole takes a village to raise a child sadly (my parents, sister and me sometimes look after a girl who lives with her grandparents who we are friends with, the girl's mother is drug addict who has had many children taken in care, some born addicted and we help to give them a break). Say where do you live Chuck? I seem to recall you saying Turkey.

Also didn't the increase in giving out antidepressants like smarties lead to the increase in mass shootings we've seen. They are certainly not seen in countries like Germany, Switzerland and other countries with high gun ownership, but much better Mental Health and not dishing said drugs out like smarties?

[Dougan]

They are called Watermelons, green on the outside, red on the inside. How they ran Brighton council with the results that happened was a micron-ism of what would happen if given greater power. Hell some would say it showed them as unfit for governance. I guess that is the good thing about local government, it can sort the wheat from the chaff.

+1.

In addition to shooting, they also aim to end routine use of antibiotics, move to a zero growth economy, have totally uncontrolled immigration, legalise membership of terrorist organisations and pay a citizens income to everyone that they have no idea of how they will afford it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dFn8RIXOBE

If it wasn't so serious, I'd be convinced the greens are some sort of wind up party.

Sorry to reply twice to the same post Zanes (not picking on you honest), but Natalie Bennett was on radio 4's Today - here's the interview: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02nm035

She categorically denies a policy of legalising terrorist membership, and also points out that their plans for Defence are very much 'long term' (not that I agree with them even so), and that they wouldn't make any changes to current Defense policy in a first term...

...I've already admitted that as a political party they're not for me, but as I've said I really don't think they should be dismissed...and when you compare what she's saying in the interview to the policies you've read; I'd also say be wary of what the press (especially those with a leaning to the right) have to say about the Greens...

[zanes]

They are called Watermelons, green on the outside, red on the inside. How they ran Brighton council with the results that happened was a micron-ism of what would happen if given greater power. Hell some would say it showed them as unfit for governance. I guess that is the good thing about local government, it can sort the wheat from the chaff.

+1.

In addition to shooting, they also aim to end routine use of antibiotics, move to a zero growth economy, have totally uncontrolled immigration, legalise membership of terrorist organisations and pay a citizens income to everyone that they have no idea of how they will afford it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dFn8RIXOBE

If it wasn't so serious, I'd be convinced the greens are some sort of wind up party.

Sorry to reply twice to the same post Zanes (not picking on you honest), but Natalie Bennett was on radio 4's Today - here's the interview: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02nm035

She categorically denies a policy of legalising terrorist membership, and also points out that their plans for Defence are very much 'long term' (not that I agree with them even so), and that they wouldn't make any changes to current Defense policy in a first term...

Ah.

Meanwhile, in January:

According to Green Party policy: "It should not be a crime simply to belong to an organisation or have sympathy with its aims, though it should be a crime to aid and abet criminal acts or deliberately fund such acts."

Asked whether this meant people would be allowed to be a member of al-Qaeda or Islamic State, Ms Bennett said: "Exactly. What we want to do is make sure we are not punishing people for what they think or what they believe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30973388

Still on their site, PD443:

Those accused or found guilty of atrocities, or planning to commit, aid or abet in their execution, should be dealt with under the same principles as those accused of more conventional criminal activities. In particular, those accused of supporting terrorist acts should have normal rights against arbitrary arrest or imprisonment. It should not be a crime simply to belong to an organisation or have sympathy with its aims, though it should be a crime to aid and abet criminal acts or deliberately fund such acts.

Perhaps understandable in the faux-academic-intellectual world the Greens seem to live in, but in the real world? Really? Sympathy with the aims of ISIS?

http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/pd.html

As to the Antibiotics issue, I'd question whether ending over use through ending needless prescriptions (a good idea we would all agree) is the same as the green party (a fairly extreme party) suggesting their routine use should be ended.

...I've already admitted that as a political party they're not for me, but as I've said I really don't think they should be dismissed...and when you compare what she's saying in the interview to the policies you've read; I'd also say be wary of what the press (especially those with a leaning to the right) have to say about the Greens...

Not sure the BBC is really that right wing either? Ms Bennett seems to be developing a habit of claiming "That's not in our manifesto", as my first link showed. And then getting pulled up on it when their manifesto says exactly that.

It's also seeming that their latest way of dealing with manifesto criticism is to explain they're just really outline ideas for possible changes that could maybe happen a few terms down the road. In other words, they don't actually have any policies.

[Dougan]

It's also seeming that their latest way of dealing with manifesto criticism is to explain they're just really outline ideas for possible changes that could maybe happen a few terms down the road. In other words, they don't actually have any policies.

That's another reason why the Greens make bad politicians; they're not very good at lying...where as all the other parties would have you believe that they know exactly what they are doing and will solve all our problems straight away...