Change in powder storage regulations

[ukrifleman]

Has anyone heard about the proposed changes in the storage regulations for `shooters powder`?

From what I hear, from Oct 1st, All shooters powder must be stored in approved wooden storage boxes, not just black powder.

ukrifleman.

[Sim G]

How about I just put a pad lock on the cupboard they're in....?

[A.J.P.]

Could you please be specific about where you heard this information? It's news to me.

[saddler]

Sounds like villarge-gobshite-small-fry RFD Tier 1 gum bumping BOLLOX

Look back at the amount of prior warning when the black powder boxes came in.

LINK or nothing more than jungle drum rumour spread by some t*@t with a surfeit of boxes on the shelf.

NONE of my trade suppliers mentioned ANYTHING & they'd have been pushing new boxes like a heroin dealer in a playground

[channel12]

the control of shooting powder storage is made under Health & Safety at Work legislation and not firearms legislation. The wooden box for blackpowder storage was in the Approved Code of Practice to the relevant explosives regulations. Approved Codes of Practice are not law but examples of best practice and you always have the option to comply in a different but equally as effective way.

ACOP's are written by specialist technical experts in that particular field and to prosecute somebody for failing to comply with an ACOP you can't just produce the ACOP in court as evidence, you have to have an expert witness to give evidence themselves.

If there are any changes to storage of shooting powders it would either be in an amended ACOP or maybe the Guidance to the regulations.

ETA; I'm a retired Health & Safety Inspector appointed under Section 21 of the Act.

Found the link the Guidance, not read it yet http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/l150.htm

Link to the new regulations, http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2014 ... 638_en.pdf but I'll bet you won't find reference to designs of wooden boxes in the regs.

[Laurie]

This is an evergreen scare story that resurfaces every two or three years without any foundation.

FWIW though, my local gunshop was 'advised' by its local HSE inspector on a visit some time back that it couldn't stock more than a certain amount (40 or 50lb bottles or equivalent), that they weren't allowed in the cutomer shop part of the premises, not even empty bottles on display, that they must be kept until sold and handed over in a wall-mounted segmented lockable cupboard in a backroom that has to be locked at all times except when it is being replenished or powder is being removed as part of a sale.

I've no idea if this reflects the regulations for retailers or it was a personal interpretation by a single low level official that he decided to impose on the only large stockist of ammunition and handloading components in the region.

[channel12]

This is an evergreen scare story that resurfaces every two or three years without any foundation.

FWIW though, my local gunshop was 'advised' by its local HSE inspector on a visit some time back that it couldn't stock more than a certain amount (40 or 50lb bottles or equivalent), that they weren't allowed in the cutomer shop part of the premises, not even empty bottles on display, that they must be kept until sold and handed over in a wall-mounted segmented lockable cupboard in a backroom that has to be locked at all times except when it is being replenished or powder is being removed as part of a sale.

I've no idea if this reflects the regulations for retailers or it was a personal interpretation by a single low level official that he decided to impose on the only large stockist of ammunition and handloading components in the region.

Sorry but you are wrong, I've searched the HSE website and downloaded the relevant legislation and draft guidance. There is a new law, The Explosive Regulations 201,4 coming into force on the 1st October 2014, (see links in my post above) and new Guidance to the regulations is being issued and the old Approved Code of Practice and Guidance to the old Regulations L139 will be withdrawn.

The bit that relevant to us is in Appendix 7 of the Guidance http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/l150.htm but I must point out this is guidance not law and certainly not firearms law.

[ukrifleman]

This is an evergreen scare story that resurfaces every two or three years without any foundation.

FWIW though, my local gunshop was 'advised' by its local HSE inspector on a visit some time back that it couldn't stock more than a certain amount (40 or 50lb bottles or equivalent), that they weren't allowed in the cutomer shop part of the premises, not even empty bottles on display, that they must be kept until sold and handed over in a wall-mounted segmented lockable cupboard in a backroom that has to be locked at all times except when it is being replenished or powder is being removed as part of a sale.

I've no idea if this reflects the regulations for retailers or it was a personal interpretation by a single low level official that he decided to impose on the only large stockist of ammunition and handloading components in the region.

Sorry but you are wrong, I've searched the HSE website and downloaded the relevant legislation and draft guidance. There is a new law, The Explosive Regulations 201,4 coming into force on the 1st October 2014, (see links in my post above) and new Guidance to the regulations is being issued and the old Approved Code of Practice and Guidance to the old Regulations L139 will be withdrawn.

The bit that relevant to us is in Appendix 7 of the Guidance http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/l150.htm but I must point out this is guidance not law and certainly not firearms law.

Thank you for the clarification, so I assume it is business as usual for storing shooters powder until told otherwise?

ukrifleman

[meles meles]

If you'd like to deliver all your powders to us for safekeeping, say by November 5th, we have somewhere useful in mind to stick it...

[phaedra1106]

Now then Badger you know you're only allowed up to 25Kg

I assume everyone with more than 5Kg of powder has registered their premises with the Police?

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