Reload Swiss price increase

[phaedra1106]

Strange how a shotgun cartridge maker near me brought over about 5 tons of powder and shot etc from Explosia a.s. in Czechoslovakia and was selling Lovex at £30 a Kg and still making a very good profit on it. He reckons it cost him under £20 a Kg including transport and duty etc. He mainly brought shotgun powder over with a sample amount of various Lovex rifle powders and hopefully will be bringing more over when he finds out which are the most popular.

He was approached twice by another Lovex importer/seller who offered to buy his entire stock to stop him selling it at that price.

[Alpha1]

Alpha1 wrote:

I pay £29 for a 1000 primers and I don't see any difference in my shooting running them side by side with Federal=(£34) or CCI = (£34)


Well yeah you wouldn't if all you are shooting at is a target 25 -100 yards away. The majority of us have access to ranges in excess of a 100 yards. tongueout

Blu

My next range day is 350 yards I shoot this one about once a month. The make of primers don't make any difference there either.

[Blu]

My next range day is 350 yards I shoot this one about once a month. The make of primers don't make any difference there either.

Well no it wouldn't if you aren't hitting the target zzzzom :lol: :lol: :lol:

Blu

[phaedra1106]

Well no it wouldn't if you aren't hitting the target zzzzom :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are a very bad man :lol:

[Alpha1]

Blu wrote:

Well no it wouldn't if you aren't hitting the target zzzzom :lol: :lol: :lol:

phaedra1106 wrote You are a very bad man :lol:

I don't have any problems hitting the target with the kit I have got. The kahles scopes atop my rifles make shooting at 350 yards a breeze. But I don't shoot for groups I shoot for fun. I'm quiet happy shooting at a 6" gong at 350 yards. If I want to shoot at paper I set target stands up at 100 yards and 200 yards. I'm not interested in chasing one hole groups. I shoot because I enjoy it group size is of no interest to me and the more empty cases I have the more reloading I can do. I'm not sure witch I prefer the shooting or the reloading.

[Chapuis]

Strange how a shotgun cartridge maker near me brought over about 5 tons of powder and shot etc from Explosia a.s. in Czechoslovakia and was selling Lovex at £30 a Kg and still making a very good profit on it. He reckons it cost him under £20 a Kg including transport and duty etc. He mainly brought shotgun powder over with a sample amount of various Lovex rifle powders and hopefully will be bringing more over when he finds out which are the most popular.

He was approached twice by another Lovex importer/seller who offered to buy his entire stock to stop him selling it at that price.

I wouldn't say that it was to stifle the competition but to save him all the hassle of importing it himself. I take it we are talking about Westlander who I have always found to be a decent chap to deal with. Bit unfair really someone like Westlander struggling to get a business going only for someone else to undercut him because for some reason they got more favourable prices.

[phaedra1106]

He didn't name any names. I don't see how it's unfair? if he can buy it at under £20/Kg (actually nearer £18) including the shipping and duty (which works out at well under £9/lb) so can anyone. As most places are selling it at £35 to £38/lb surely they're still making a profit on it.

[Blu]

Blu wrote:

Well no it wouldn't if you aren't hitting the target zzzzom :lol: :lol: :lol:

phaedra1106 wrote You are a very bad man :lol:

I don't have any problems hitting the target with the kit I have got. The kahles scopes atop my rifles make shooting at 350 yards a breeze. But I don't shoot for groups I shoot for fun. I'm quiet happy shooting at a 6" gong at 350 yards. If I want to shoot at paper I set target stands up at 100 yards and 200 yards. I'm not interested in chasing one hole groups. I shoot because I enjoy it group size is of no interest to me and the more empty cases I have the more reloading I can do. I'm not sure witch I prefer the shooting or the reloading.

:lol: Dude FFS chill out, I'm just yanking your chain, Jeez you make it way too easy tongueout

Okay on a serious note, so you have got it pretty much down to pat with regards to your loads and the powders you use. Thing is though there are powders, loads and rifles out there that do and don't like certain primers and at the same time there are Bullet manufacturers who will state in their reloading manuals that a magnum primer should be used with a certain powder. Speer bullets for instance will tell you to use a magnum primer when using AA2520 or H380 for better powder ignition/burn in certain calibres, 22-250 for instance.

My 270WSM for instance only likes CCI benchrest primers when I use Nosler bullets with the powder I use, on the other hand the same rifle likes Federal match Primers when I use Hornady bullets. I do shoot for group because those are the two hunting bullets I use in that rifle. I shoot nearly every day and like you I enjoy my shooting but I want to get it right otherwise it could result in an animal suffering needlessly because I didn't do my part and that's the last thing I want to happen.


Blu

[Chapuis]

He didn't name any names. I don't see how it's unfair? if he can buy it at under £20/Kg (actually nearer £18) including the shipping and duty (which works out at well under £9/lb) so can anyone. As most places are selling it at £35 to £38/lb surely they're still making a profit on it.

But can they? Do you know for certain what the current importer (Westlander) is actually paying. Very often companies will offer inducements to new customers that are not available to existing customers.

I also sympathise with Nigel (of TR140 and Elcho fame) as I can just imagine the hassle involved with the importation of propellants, crikey you can have enough problems importing non hazardous materials. Once again a chap that although I have only exchanged a few emails with seems to be a reasonable sort of chap.

[Maggot]

I pay £29 for a 1000 primers and I don't see any difference in my shooting running them side by side with Federal=(£34) or CCI = (£34)

Well yeah you wouldn't if all you are shooting at is a target 25 -100 yards away. The majority of us have access to ranges in excess of a 100 yards. tongueout

Blu

Aside of Blu having some fun at various peoples expense (quite rightly so) the right primers can make one hell of a difference.

Tom (Mr Logic) is shooting in a discipline where consistency is everything, and a lack of it shows (F/TR). Most of the league shoots are at 1000yds with a .5moa V Bull.

So you need a good ES. Mine were measured in single figures but only with CCIBR4s. A while back someone on here did all sorts of trials and told us what we had known for quite some time.....CCI BR4s are ideal for the small primer pocketed cases being used widely in F/TR.

I remember when the BR4 was less than £40 a thousand....not that long ago as it goes.

What p*** me off is the way we get stitched up by importers and RFDs "because we will pay it".....course we will, we have no bloody choice, no payee no sodding shootee.

And we wonder why some arms are becoming elitist with some of the really good shots not getting a look in emrolleyes

I really thought great, RS have a good range, proven, we wont be beholden to the US or other fluctuating sources, and the prices can be kept down....crap it seems!!

Years ago I remember certain dignitaries wearing s*** eating grins in a "Trade only" airgun mag because the new VCR bill almost killed off the internet houses over night and kept the prices up. They were making 400% on some of the Chinese crap, it was bloody immoral and I wish at the time I had scanned it onto the BBS.....that would have buggered the sales for a bit!!

I don't object to people making a good honest living, but not by fleecing those involved in a sport we want to expand rather than price out of the market.

Play the long game FFS, if you want to make a quick buck go into stocks and shares.

Conversely a well known member on here recently made me a thingy for quickly zeroing a No4.

Now here I have a dilemma, because I thought it out and asked said genius to make me one up. It is KISS at its best, but allows repeatable and roughly measured adjustment to be made to a No4 foresight on the range without sticking those stooped bloody clamps on, its a quick, easy to use stop that works. Why dilemma? I have the only one and its brill....but I think every No4 owner should try one.

I asked him why I had not been invoiced, he said because he was not going to bother, it was easy enough to make and not that costly on materials.

That's not the point though, he worked out the thread, machined it, polished it, so it took some thought and time where a fare paying customer should pay so he asked me how much I thought.....Difficult....."£40" I said.

Apparently the cost was nearer to £20....but its worth £40 to me....so you see, there is such a thing as integrity.

No doubt though it will be ripped off by some waste of skin and get sold for twice the price. Should this happen I genuinely hope that the offender's bo...cks turn square and fester at the edges.

For my part, I will wait and see, but if the RS prices are not reasonably less than the alternatives they can take a flying cluck at a rolling doughnut. I will use something else and vote with my feet.

It wont make a difference but that's the problem. Its very difficult to cut these peoples noses off without spiting OUR faces tesnews

There are an awful lot of small RFDs popping up selling at reasonable prices to club mates.....funny that eh?

Rant over...see...that what happens after bank holidays. You come back on a Tuesday but think its Monday :roll: