Countryfile poll. Let's all sign this...

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Re: Countryfile poll. Let's all sign this...

#11 Post by Dougan »

Bdiac wrote:http://m.countryfile.com/poll/does-shoo ... nvironment

And, if you do it using a phone on wifi, turn the wifi off and do it again on 3G, different IP address ;)
There's no doubt that shooting (including countryside sports) deserves far more recognition for the number of participants and the amount of money it turns over in the economy...

...but 'whether or not it's good for the environment' is a difficult question, and can't be answered 'yes or no'...on the program, the landowners made pains to point out that burning was done responsibly and that they were not killing predatory species etc, etc...but just the same as any other industry, some have integrity and some don't, and it's a fact that some estates are very cynically managed...

...that said, there's no reason why with a bit more understanding on all sides (not all estate managers are murderers, and not all environmentalists are rabbit-shaggers), that a reasonable balance can't be found.
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#12 Post by Maggot »

Dougan wrote:
Bdiac wrote:http://m.countryfile.com/poll/does-shoo ... nvironment

And, if you do it using a phone on wifi, turn the wifi off and do it again on 3G, different IP address ;)
There's no doubt that shooting (including countryside sports) deserves far more recognition for the number of participants and the amount of money it turns over in the economy...

...but 'whether or not it's good for the environment' is a difficult question, and can't be answered 'yes or no'...on the program, the landowners made pains to point out that burning was done responsibly and that they were not killing predatory species etc, etc...but just the same as any other industry, some have integrity and some don't, and it's a fact that some estates are very cynically managed...

...that said, there's no reason why with a bit more understanding on all sides (not all estate managers are murderers, and not all environmentalists are rabbit-shaggers), that a reasonable balance can't be found.
Sadly one tactic the antis try to employ is divide and conquer. We need to stick together and support anything legal with a trigger.

I don't really care what some folk want to get up to as long as it is legal, but when it brings shooting as a whole into the spotlight (should that read lamp? :grin: ) then I will support shooting, every time, regardless.

I gave up rabitting and squirreling because I felt I had seen enough death and destruction in the Army and out hunting. I could never divorce the fact that I enjoyed hunting and therefore enjoyed killing, which I was never comfortable with. I have never understood big game hunting or driven shoots (even though I was an enthusiastic beater for years), but I would never do anything to interfere with or stop people doing them. its their choice and bit by bit the freedoms and latitudes are being eaten away.

Likewise, I would never say I would never hunt again, particularly if the bloody rats return tesnews

The problem with a lot of these things is that the various bodies have convenient memories and often lie by omission.

They do a lot of controlled burning here in the forest, you can see the benefits fairly soon after the burn.

Many of the conservation bodies employ pest control on their patches (I had a run in with one years ago and how he and the particular body involved were conducting themselves was very poor) but neglect to mention it.

I used to hunt on a managed estate, and the difference in the wildlife on the estate and off of it was marked. I saw many species on there that just would not have got on without the protection offered by our keeper (who was not rabid about birds of prey, he just took them as another fact of life).

So we need to stick together....lets face it, TR must be hell on the wild cow population :run:
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#13 Post by Maggot »

Oh dear, there are rather a lot of ill informed folk on there, I particularly liked the bit about birds that could hardly fly....they seemed to do bloody well on our shoot!!

It is quite telling just how nasty some of the language is from antis emrolleyes

If you cannot argue with authority, if you cannot do it intelligently, then don't bother folks :squirrel:

I thought the part about the forestry and conservation groups by the forester was very well written. They all do it, but they don't tell anyone.

I wonder how long it takes before "Beaver" is classed as vermin and we are trying to turn back time...again.

See how vocal they are then....or when a bunch of roe trash their garden!!
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#14 Post by kennyc »

Maggot wrote:
Dougan wrote:
Bdiac wrote:http://m.countryfile.com/poll/does-shoo ... nvironment



So we need to stick together....lets face it, TR must be hell on the wild cow population :run:
Oh you are going to Hell for that remark! clapclap clapclap
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#15 Post by Maggot »

To quote The Stone Roses....

"I don't need to sell my soul, he's already in me" :twisted:

Not likely to be adored any time soon though :bad:

Joking aside, when these folk (not the TR shots) start calling people Neanderthal etc it really does show their ignorance...Ok, me accepted but you know what I mean.

As for paedophiles...pleasant. There's some irony there. emrolleyes

Sadly, a lot of them are that vehement that once they believe something in their minds, it becomes fact; in spite of the fact that they have no ability or evidence to constructively back it up so their inner chimp resorts to abuse and throwing poo, the only upshot being any credibility their stance may have had evaporates in a cloud of red mist kukkuk

As I said, if its legal and needs a trigger tugging.....close ranks and defend it, leave the prejudice at home.

(even for TR...no...damn....its my trigger finger....I hate it when it does that...... :oops: ).
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#16 Post by mag41uk »

If you were a shooter at the time of Dunblane then you will know how vehement and blind the antis are.
Just after the aforementioned was a TV debate featuring some well know pistol shooters and the up and coming anti brigade.
I remember very well one of the antis standing up and pointing her finger at the shooters and saying " you are all as guilty of pulling the trigger as Hamilton"
That has stuck with me and that is the mentality that us shooters will always have to battle against.
I also remember Steve Senn from Thornlands Shooting Centre inviting some of the high profile antis to have a look round and have a go.
You can pretty much guess the outcome!
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#17 Post by Les »

I've managed to sign it about 6 times now, so I think you should all do the same, because the number of 'anti' vote is rapidly increasing, and I suspect that's because they are doing the same. ;)
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#18 Post by Egg on Leggs1 »

Bdiac wrote:Indeed. Have you seen some of the 'all guns should be banned' comments ? Why do they consider it acceptable to lower themselves to pre-Neanderthal levels ?
Remember, these people are at the top of the evolutionary pile, unfortunately it is the pile if Poo, Pig and Thick.
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#19 Post by Mr_Logic »

The people responding to the poll are either Pro (hurrah!) or viciously nasty, anti. The antis wind me up because they think it acceptable to treat other humans like sputum simply because of an animal that, 9 times out of 10, they've only ever seen in a book.

Grrr!

Having finally watched the programme though, it was actually pretty even I thought, certainly a debate not the rapid propaganda the BBC can often peddle.
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#20 Post by Chuck »

Whenever I see the comments from antis I am so glad that guns are available- these anti people are one step away from mass murder(ers) on an industrial scale.

God help us if we ever lose guns...there's no telling what the antis would want to criminalise next - funnt how it appears many of them are criminally stupid..
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