Rebarreling, expensive....?

[Alpha1]

Scotsgun I seem to have up set you sorry about that.


I will re phrase my question I know nothing about F/Class or Bench rest or any of the long range shooting diciplines is it necessary to spend all this money to shoot those distances.
My guess is a lot of peole would be put off taking up these diciplines beause of the cost.
Can you not shoot them with off the shelf stuff does a £700 barrel make that much difference is it not the nut on the but that affects the final out come and his ability to read the wind I suppose.

[20series]

A standard 26" barrel on say a Remington 700 PSS will not normally generate enough velocity to keep a .308 bullet supersonic out to 1000yards.

Most people shooting F-TR are running 30-32 inch barrels with a variety of twists depending on the bullet weight they prefer.

I paid around the 700 mark to have mine rebarreled with a 1/10 twist 32inch Truflite.

Bearing in mind the F-class targets have a .5 MOA V bull (that 5 inches at 1000 yards) you need all the help you can get to be competetive, hoever you can just shoot with a standard setup if you're just having a go.

Alan

[Dangermouse]

I concur with 20series, even with a good deal on a Border barrel, my bill was around the £700 mark. Equal to the cost of my Rem 700 SPS.

You can take part with a standard 26" barrel but you will have to be a truly gifted wind reader and be at one with your equipment to be competing anywhere past 900 yards, but you wil still get on the paper and have some fun. It is down to you as to how competitive you want to be.
Not that I am gifted or a wind reader, but I did take part with my standard Remington last year and did manage to pick up points, even on the 1200 yard shoot.

I do believe that the UK F Class scene needs a standard division - rifles off the shelf.
As I have said before, F Class TR was sold to me as that a few years back, but I will accept that it no longer is, with people easily spending over £2500.00 on rifles and around the grand mark or over on scopes.
Of course if would be difficult to have restrictions on scopes but I am sure that there is a place for a standard division.

Easy for me to say as I am not running these events, I have no idea how much work would be required to check rifles over as they are booked in.
Don't forget Savage make an F Class rifle and others like the Accuracy International and TRG would also be regarded as Standard, so you would still be in a competitive class,

DM

[Gun Pimp]

So to repeat my question these guns you have paid all this money for they are all going through the same hole yes.
I am not inetrested in craftmanship and the cost of building amount of work etc when you have spent all this money they all go through the same hole right or what is the point.

Rifles don't shoot themselves - so, even if a rifle is capable of 'putting 'em all through the same hole' it will never happen - it never has happened.

Short-range 6PPC benchguns are the most accurate rifles on the planet and thousands of shooters shoot them every year in competition all over the world and have done so for the last 50 years - but no one has put 'em all through the same hole - so please, ditch that statement!

When you pay a lot of money to build a custom rifle, using the finest components, built by a gunsmith who knows his craft, you HOPE that you will get a rifle CAPABLE of putting 'em all down the same hole.

To put 'em all down the same hole is however YOUR responsibility.

Why do shooters spend a small fortune for an accurate rifle? To have a better chance of winning - why else?

I always enjoy watching shooters shoot my benchgun for the first time. They will probably have their smallest three-shot group on a scruffy bit of target in their wallet. Without trying, they will shoot a smaller group - they've just shot their first accurate rifle. Some want more, others just wander off muttering.............

You're either hooked on accuracy- or you aint!

Cheers
Vince

[lapua338]

My CZ550 chambered in .308 has a 26", 1:12" barrel and when that's shot out I won't hesitate to have the rifle rebarreled with something around 30" or maybe longer.

Just looking at the Border Barrels website they will fit and proof an "Archer" button rifled barrel for £490 inc. VAT. Seems like good value to me.

What am I going to do? Throw the rifle away and buy another?

[Sim G]

Just looking at the Border Barrels website they will fit and proof an "Archer" button rifled barrel for £490 inc. VAT. Seems like good value to me.

I consider that outstanding value! A call tomorrow me thinks to see about my requirements.....

[Gun Pimp]

I do believe that the UK F Class scene needs a standard division - rifles off the shelf.
As I have said before, F Class TR was sold to me as that a few years back, but I will accept that it no longer is, with people easily spending over £2500.00 on rifles and around the grand mark or over on scopes.
Of course if would be difficult to have restrictions on scopes but I am sure that there is a place for a standard division.

Dangermouse, the F/TR class was conceived to allow those with more basic equipment to compete but, how do you police it?

Savage have introduced a factory F/TR rifle which is truely competitive (the World Champ. winning US F/TR team used them) and something like a Remmy PSS will never keep up with it. So, does every PSS owner sell his Remmy (or what have you) and buy a Savage? (current Edgar Bros price approaching £2000) Or does he do what you did and spend £700 and end up with something which (in my opinion) should be as good or better than the Savage?

Rightly or wrongly, the F/TR class is now more competitive than the Open Class! There has been talk in America of running a Tactical Class (for rifles like the Sako TRG etc) but they got bogged down on muzzle-brakes, barrel length, calibre, replacement (aftermarket) parts, scopes, bi-pods, magazines, stocks etc etc.

F Class was never set out as an entry-level discipline - George Faquharson wanted shooters to explore the boundaries of long-range rifle accuracy - and we certainly do that. F/TR Class gives an opportunity to compete with a rifle which will last a few seasons - rather than comsuming one or two barrels per season!

We have learned a lot in five short years - the 308 is now a viable long-range target round with 3100fps velocities achieved and manufacturers bringing out new brass and bullets for us. F/TR bi-pods now makes the Harris look very primitive.

It's not easy, it's not cheap but it is challenging and it is fun and very rewarding when you get it right.

Vince

[Sim G]

So, does every PSS owner sell his Remmy (or what have you) and buy a Savage? (current Edgar Bros price approaching £2000) Or does he do what you did and spend £700 and end up with something which (in my opinion) should be as good or better than the Savage?

Now you've gone and done it Vince, you've set me off at a tangent!!!

I'm actually a big Savage fan. I've got a 12BVSS in .223 and love it! Spent an afternoon "V Buling" at 800 on Century with it. But two grand for the F/TR?!! I didn't realise that Edgars had Savage now, I thought it was still Garlands........ and they weren't cheap from them either, but 2000 pounds!!!

Anyway, you sent me on a trawl! It looks like Osprey rifles have the Savage F/TR in stock for 1500 pounds. I had a look at the Savage site and their recommended retail is close to 1400 dollars. I know that's US and really should work on pound for dollar when you take everything into consideration....

Now here's the crux. I continued to trawl the Savage site as I've always had a hankering for their Scout rifle after being so disappointed with the Steyr and so impressed with the Savage. And what did I find? A rifle not previously known to me. The model 12 Long Range Precision....... Blued, varmint profile fluted barrel, HS stock and offered in the factory chambering of 6.5 Creedmoor!!!!!! I've found what I'm looking for!

US recommended of just over 1000 dollars......

Thanks, she'll kill me!

[Jenks]

Sim..

Just curious, because I Know nothing about the 6.5 creedmore. what in your opinion makes it preferable to the venerable 6.5x55 swede?


Jenks

[Gun Pimp]

Sim G

The Savage Long Range Precision Varmint - LRPV - is a great rifle. They do shoot very well 'out of the box' - Laurie Holland won the UKBRA Factory Sporter Championship with his 204 Ruger chambered LRPV first time out. He shot some outstanding groups of well under half an inch.

I think Osprey may have one in 6BR - but you'd have to check. If they have an F/TR at £1500, that could be the last of them before Edgars take over.

Vince