Alpha1 wrote: Today my wife rang me at work apparently the House has been rented to what sounds to me like immigrants apparently he does not speak English or very little his wife has some English and they have a Young Daughter of about 8. She rang me to tell me another Guy turned up in a Van apparently of Asian decent and they ended up toe to toe in the front garden. The lady knocked on the door with a mobile phone she had called the Police but they could not understand her. So my Wife stood on our front door step explaining to the Police what was going on. The police eventually turned up and every one disappeared. Apparently the Couple are looking forward to moving in next door to this nice English Lady. Would I let them know I have guns in the House what do you think. And I have to worry in case they should complain that I have guns and they are worried about my behaviour. It beggars belief.
You live in Middlesbrough FFS! What else would you expect?
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Alpha1 wrote: Today my wife rang me at work apparently the House has been rented to what sounds to me like immigrants apparently he does not speak English or very little his wife has some English and they have a Young Daughter of about 8. She rang me to tell me another Guy turned up in a Van apparently of Asian decent and they ended up toe to toe in the front garden. The lady knocked on the door with a mobile phone she had called the Police but they could not understand her. So my Wife stood on our front door step explaining to the Police what was going on. The police eventually turned up and every one disappeared. Apparently the Couple are looking forward to moving in next door to this nice English Lady. Would I let them know I have guns in the House what do you think. And I have to worry in case they should complain that I have guns and they are worried about my behaviour. It beggars belief.
You live in Middlesbrough FFS! What else would you expect?
I cannot see this becoming law of any kind, the security issue is such that it's just like saying there's 10k cash in this or that house.....This hotline can be made ilegal by simple human rights and common sense laws....besides a breach of the peace, an arrestable offence occurs when an individual or individuals are in fear of their own personal safety, so gun owners are going to be arrested too! If your neighbours are frightened of the nasty gun man!!!!!!! This whole thing is bollox, a patsy being gouded by meddling do Gooders.......
Besides all that the hotline will provide terrorists and criminals a multitude of soft targets to aquire firearms, which will be a silly thing for the goverment to provide would it not.....
good wind up tho one has to admit......
When someone says "it's not about the money" you know what? it probably is all about money!
Tell me how this "hot line" is any different to what is available now?
If you are concerned about a change in a friend or neighbour's behaviour and attitude and they own firearms, then you can call the police at any time. Touting this as something different is wrong. The inquest decided conclusively who was to blame in this incident. It was Atherton who pulled the trigger but the police continued to allow Atherton access to firearms after he became a known "risk"....
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?
Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
Sim G wrote:Tell me how this "hot line" is any different to what is available now?
If you are concerned about a change in a friend or neighbour's behaviour and attitude and they own firearms, then you can call the police at any time. Touting this as something different is wrong. The inquest decided conclusively who was to blame in this incident. It was Atherton who pulled the trigger but the police continued to allow Atherton access to firearms after he became a known "risk"....
In other words , yet again the cops are responsible for deaths caused by previously reported " not fit to hold firearms " men .Another case of " lessons will be learned " ? Sounds like my school report " Martin could do better " , but I never did either. Hungerford , Dunblane and the Atherton debacle can all be firmly deposited on police doorsteps but it's the shooting community who suffer .Mechanisms exist for the reporting of unfit persons , they should be used , the last thing we need are more laws and this "shop a firearms owner " crap.
"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
Adolph Hitler – 1933
Sim G wrote:Tell me how this "hot line" is any different to what is available now?
If you are concerned about a change in a friend or neighbour's behaviour and attitude and they own firearms, then you can call the police at any time. Touting this as something different is wrong. The inquest decided conclusively who was to blame in this incident. It was Atherton who pulled the trigger but the police continued to allow Atherton access to firearms after he became a known "risk"....
In other words , yet again the cops are responsible for deaths caused by previously reported " not fit to hold firearms " men .Another case of " lessons will be learned " ? Sounds like my school report " Martin could do better " , but I never did either. Hungerford , Dunblane and the Atherton debacle can all be firmly deposited on police doorsteps but it's the shooting community who suffer .Mechanisms exist for the reporting of unfit persons , they should be used , the last thing we need are more laws and this "shop a firearms owner " crap.
Exactly, but sadly many people are swayed by emotion and rhetoric, the rush to do something; even if the something proposed is ineffective, already available or outright dangerous, etc... MP's and others in positions of influence know this and use this to their advantage.
As a community we need to be smarter and more vocal in our opposition to such nonsense.
Personally, I have witnessed some behavior which I would consider counter productive to building and strengthening the shooting community, including; overlay aggressive responses to media and the general public, negative and decisive attitudes in public domain challenging other disciplines, and outright negative expecting to fail attitudes. Those are just a few examples which come to mind off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more.
In my opinion the shooting community, or certainly sections of it, is very insular in nature, rather than focusing outward we are inward focused, we need to be much more focused on the general public, the middle group; because therein lies the key to out future imo. Hardened anti's will never come to our side, or even allow a "each to their own" attitude in sufficient numbers to do us any good. That doesn't mean we should carry on as if nothing is at stake, instead we should focus our attention on gaining public support and trust.
We need to highlight the positives of shooting to those who don't understand and are not familiar, and approach this in new ways to achieve greater support and participation. Every shooter can play a key part in this, by engaging family friends and colleagues and reaching further afield, writing letters to local press, promoting schemes to bring new people into the sport, etc.
I monitor many shooting groups through social media, e-mail and members themselves, rarely are initiatives to develop shooting put forward, worst still when they are administrators of such groups, or the organisations themselves are either not aware and don't lend their support. Shooters and firearms enthusiasts within the UK could produce many effective schemes to engage with the public and further participation in the shooting sports, but my own experience tells me few shooters are willing to give time to such and would rather go shooting and then forget about the threat even their own discipline faces.
Despite this, there are individuals who continue to try and mobilize people and suggest ideas, yet they often appear isolated rather than supported, which is a shame.
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