Building a SMLE - difficult?

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Re: Building a SMLE - difficult?

#11 Post by Rearlugs »

The trickiest thing about restoring an SMLE is trying to find a set of matching wood, that is of an appropriate age and appearance to whatever finish is left on the SMLE.

I.e. there are new unused forends around (at a price), but no new butts or top woods. There are some Indian topwoods on eBay (usually USA), but the matching Indian forends are either wrong pattern or have the ishy screw. You can sometimes find old SMLE butts on eBay, but almost no old forends. Even when you find an old butt and an old forend, the chances are that they are completely different colour and grain!

And so on and so on.


I should know - I have about forty SMLE barrelled actions and restoration projects, and quite a large amount of wood. Out of all my stock, I can only make up about two sets that might go together to make a decent restoration! If you are trying to make a serious restoration - say of a No1 Mk1 or No1 with volley sights - then you are into serious hens' teeth territory and might have to wait years for the right bits to turn up.


You can of course use the new forends, and repro wood from EFD (£££...) or the new production topwoods that someone lists on eBay. You can stain/sand all this lot into some semblance of matching. However, then you end up with a rifle that has new wood and old metal finish - which looks a bit home built unless you get the metal re-blacked as well. Then you end up with the sort of thing C&G sells.


If you use old wood, then most SMLE barrelled actions will be a simple drop-in fit - they are astonishingly consistent in dimension, given the millions made. Usually, you will have to rebuild the recoil faces in old forends, as these will almost certainly be crumbled or indented.

If you use a new forend, then there is a lot of fitting to do. Typically, you have to dust the action and wood with talcum powder or similar, fit & assemble, dismantle, examine the witness marks, carefully scrape away the points need to adjust fit, repeat and so on. To make a good job of the forend fit, I myself usually reckon on about 30-50 assembly cycles, depending on the source of the forend.

Front handguards, bands and the nosecap all require careful fettling with new wood. Sometimes the top of the forend has to be relieved in order to avoid over-thinning the top hand guards, to get them to slide under the nosecap.


I love old SMLEs, and feel sorry for the sportered ones that turn up at the auctions. Quite often I buy them because they are all-matching less for the missing nosecap. Unfortunately, from an RFD point of view, they are wildly uneconomic to restore, and simply end up adding to the pile of waiting projects. If you are doing a rifle for yourself, then it is an interesting project. It makes you appreciate the skill and speed at which the workers at Enfield, LSA, BSA could work, given that they stocked up over 4 million of these rifles! A few years back I stripped an LSA built in 1916 - at the height of war production. The stock fitting was done so superbly, that it took about an hour to separate action and forend - the fit was that tight.


Fitting new recoil faces:


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Using talcum powder to check fit (No4 here):


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Re: Building a SMLE - difficult?

#12 Post by Maggot »

Gaz, call Phil Rose, he is a real enfield nut, RFD, and very fair.

He has a wealth of experience and spares.

01425470561

Phil put a No4 together for me and found all manner of bits and bobs for me, mostly still in boxes and wrappers in his bunker.

He has rows of woodwork but does not seem to publicise himself much as folk seem to find him.

Good luck, sounds good.
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Re: Building a SMLE - difficult?

#13 Post by 450 Martini »

Now this may be a bit unpopular but why not purchase a De-act SMLE for the right price and strip it for parts and clean them up and put them on the firer, i have done something like this a few years ago with a martini henry that some clot had jammed bolts in both ends decades ago to "make it safe".
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Re: Building a SMLE - difficult?

#14 Post by davidh195 »

Give it a go please see link below, wood from Terry Abrams he matched the grain as much as possible, I stained accordingly & used a Truoil finish.
Metalwork condition was good.

http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.ph ... 08#p130880

David
I applaud your enthusiasm, even though your grip on reality may be somewhat tenuous......
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Re: Building a SMLE - difficult?

#15 Post by Flanker »

Gaz wrote:
bnz41 wrote:Gaz if your looking to return it to original spec then you will struggle to find wood, depending on the rifle cost (how high, I was looking at one for £200), then plus the wood cost it could be more than the price of a complete rifle in good condition, cheapest I found was £250 for new wood (would need work to get it to fit) no used found, then the cost of all the metal work butt plate barrel bands rear sight and protector sling swivels screws off e-bay was another £80 ish. Good luck if you have a go doing it.
Hmm. That's not hugely encouraging. Was hoping to be able to source the furniture and small parts for around £100-£130 max. £250 for new wood and little/no secondhand wood is prohibitively expensive - as you say, you can buy a complete rifle for that amount.

My hope is I won't need to change the barrel (hence the idea popped into my head when I saw the barrel hasn't been molested, even if the rest of the rifle has) but ta for the headsup on barrel tightness. One to meditate on.
You might get a de-activate SMLE cheaper than buying all the bits. Oops, I see someone else said that too :squirrel:
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