Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine

[Blighty]

I agree that they may have been zeroed with the bayo extended however it's easy to re-zero by drifting the front sight with the bayo folded. Never understood how some US shooters say they are capable of 1 or 2 MOA. Maybe I'm a crap shot but I'd need to see video evidence of repeated groups to believe it (and not just at 25 or 50m).
Every gun cabinet should have one because they're cheap and capable of Minute of Head accuracy. They're ace!

[dromia]

They make a very good cast boolit gun out to 300, if you do your part with the short sight radius.

They do seem to shoot factory better with the bayonet out but not always you just need to try yours and see what it does.

Personally I prefer the M38s.

[leeroy7031]

I just don't know guys, questionable accuracy, heavy kick, muzzle blast like a Krupp works 88, pointless fixed bayonet!

YES PLEASE, LOOKS LIKE MY SORT OF RIFLE!

Well the rifle in question is a 1946 post war model and looks to be very well finished. The trigger is the best that I’ve ever used on a military rifle and I would say breaks at about 5lb and is consistent and without creep, when I tried this in the shop I was shocked !! Having shot a few they are usually terrible.

As for accuracy I shot multiple 3 round groups at 25 yds while trying to zero, most were keyholded with the odd flyer none which went over ¾” rested. I used milspec ammo, 1950 and 1977 both which produced a good results. As Charlotte said, I shoot this ammo in the Dragunov and it kicks like a mule in the carbine its as mild as you like .... go figure

As for the flame when you touch down .... :shakeshout: Best purchase of the year so far.

[Mezzer]

I have a 1943 issued Mosin M38 which I really like.

It's not been counterbored which appears to be somewhat unusual and it sits in an M44 stock. All in all it's in excellent condition and is well capable of putting rounds into the black consistently at 300 yards. It shoulders very easily which is one aspect I like and it has a good solid weight to it. Quality of the steel is pretty good as far as I can see.
Using surplus ball at 149gr I am almost guaranteed an almightly flash when I pull the trigger and it has never failed to go bang in all the time I've had it. Ammo is so cheap there is no point in reloading. Recoil using that ammo is reasonable but 182 gr PPU will soon wipe the smile from your face :lol:
As a fun gun these Mosins are very hard to beat. Reliable, hard-hitting, reasonably accurate and made to last (as the test of time has already proven). What's not to like ...?
Don't be put off by all the talk about corrosive ammo etc, as these things are easy to look after because they were made that way. In fact, these are the original SHTF guns because nothing could have been worse than when Hitler and his gang decided on a bit of eastwards land expansion.

Buy one ... you won't regret it

Mezzer

[Alpha1]

Its not the ammo its the primers that are corrosive and they are very corrosive. If you don't boil the gun out after use with military ammo it will ruin the bore. I never use military ammo in any of my milsurps I buy the ammo then dismantle it and reload it into new cases with none corrosive primers. They are to precious to take a chance on in my opinion.

Reminds me I have a heap of Nagant military surplus ammo I have sold the rifle so not sure what I am going to do with it.

[meles meles]

You could donate it to the Badger Defence League so we are ready to counter the cull...

[etprescottuk]

Today I got to shoot Leeroys M44 carbine down at URC. For all of the talk on various websites I actually found it fairly docile. Obviously there are the very large flashes from the muzzle but in terms of kick I thought that it was equal to my No4 and less than my K98. The recoil was more of a push than a thump, nice and progressive, which is strange because the same cartridge in a Dragonov is very snappy. So my thoughts are :

The ammo was milsurp, 50's vintage, it is under powered
OR
Are all of those people moaning about nothing.

All that I know is that I want one!

People moaning about nothin, the Model 44 rifle thumps and is a lot of fun, but it's not the worse kid on the block. One plus you can store it standing up by sticking the bayonet in the ground, just kidding, though I did see a couple off roaders do that several years ago next to their quads. The 50's stuff is loaded as heavy as anything out there communist surplus. Sighting in the Remington 700 last year, 30-06 Springfield, this is a 1960 production one year only with a 20" barrel length, people shooting all sorts of stuff up and down the range I fire the Remington 700 sitting at rest on the bench and BOOM I set off three car alarms in the parking lot, people reset their alarms and BOOM I set them off again, This time people leave them off, don't know why they need these on at a range anyway's still of all my milsurps nothing is louder or recoils worse than that commercial Remington 700.

[Mezzer]

etprescottuk

Exactly!

The synged eyebrows, dislocated shoulder and temporary deafness are all part of the fun as far as I'm concerned and if people don't like it ... then people shouldn't shoot it. :lol:
It certainly is a most efficient attention-getter when you pull the trigger on the firing line.

The trigger on my M38 was always a bit iffy but hey ... what can you expect from an eastern bloc SHTF gun?
Answer:
How about a silky smooth 2 stage trigger the equal of any post-war Lee Enfield ...? I picked up a Finnish M39 trigger Kit from a chap on evil bay for around 30 quid including postage. It took me around 10 minutes to fit once I'd removed the stock and exposed the trigger group and WOW, what a difference it's made.

Now I still have all the things I like about this rifle (see first paragraph) AND a most excellent trigger. :shakeshout: Watch for me at Warcop at C8 range on 14th September. I'll be the one providing the thunder and lightning effects via my M38.

Mezzer