Alternatives to SGC 9mm

[Charlotte the flyer]

A quick note on Ceiner kits. I use one in a Sabre M4 carbine and have never had a stoppage or misfeed. I run CCI standard ammunition with it. The area where it is a pain though is that I have to clean the rifle each time I take it out, something that's not always required with a dedicated 22 such as a SIG etc. It's nice to have but as others have said, a dedicated rifle/upper is probably the way to go.

[HALODIN]

I'm considering buying a LRA9, they looks interesting to say the least... Does anyone know why he chose the lever mag release on the LRA9? (see bottom pic in the link below)

http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/file/docu ... 202013.pdf

Looks like fun to me!

[Mikaveli]

I'm a big fan of the SGC LR9 - I know they've had a little bad press, but a least it's something new and distinctive for our home market.

...but I'm not going to buy one. Here's why (and hopefully relevant to the OP):

For gallery shooting, my clubs indoor range doesn't allow you to shoot jacketed rounds. I've heard quite a few clubs that have similar restrictions. You can get lead 9mm bullets - so no worries if you reload your own, but I haven't come across any factory rounds in that configuration. I expect someone makes them - but at the very least they're not common.

There's only one CSR discipline that the 9mm is suitable for - where they shoot from 100 down to 25m. For the most part .223 / 5.56 is considered to be the minimum calibre required.

They're expensive! Priced at 2k new, I haven't seen one below 1200 quid second-hand. You can't reuse the upper or lower as part of another gun.

If you sink the cash into a milspec AR, the lower could be used for a 5.56 upper, .22lr and / or a 300 Whisper (used alongside the 9mm in the shorter range CSR matches). Brand-new or second-hand, you'd be effectively able to get two good rifles for the cost of the unicorn.

[HALODIN]

Ahhh I didn't realise that, what a shame. Right back to the drawing board then!

my clubs indoor range doesn't allow you to shoot jacketed rounds.

[pir]

For gallery shooting, my clubs indoor range doesn't allow you to shoot jacketed rounds. I've heard quite a few clubs that have similar restrictions. You can get lead 9mm bullets - so no worries if you reload your own, but I haven't come across any factory rounds in that configuration. I expect someone makes them - but at the very least they're not common.

After shooting one and seeing how much fun they are I'm interested in buying... but this is my only reservation. If I were set up to reload in quantity (I'm only just starting to buy my own reloading gear), say with a fully progressive press, then I'd be less concerned. Going to ask the range if they're ok with copper plated rounds rather than FMJ :/

I've heard of factory lead rounds and seen them available in the US but not found any in the UK and apparently using lead only bullets makes the barrel and any compensator or brake you have on the barrel lead up very quickly and need frequent cleaning.

[dromia]

It is not the fact that they are lead bullets that cause any leading, it is the fact that they are hardcast and of too small a diameter.

Lead will shoot fine it you get quality bullets, the only way to get quality lead bullets is to cast your own.

I shoot exclusively lead bullets in many calibres regularly up to 2000 fps and never have any leading, lead bullets foul less that jacketed and it is not cumulative like that damned copper.

[pir]

the only way to get quality lead bullets is to cast your own.

Me finding the time to set up and do that, especially on top of reloading in general, seems... highly unlikely at best. I want something I can shoot not spend more time making rounds for than shooting.

[dromia]

I was just correcting your assertion that lead bullets will make fouling, not so. Poor fitting poor quality lead bullets will.

[pir]

I was just correcting your assertion that lead bullets will make fouling, not so. Poor fitting poor quality lead bullets will.

Yes, the comment (I wasn't asserting, I was expressing what I'd heard) should have been that factory lead only rounds will foul quickly.

[dromia]

Depends on the fit and quality.

Fiocchi for instance used to make lead 9mm ammunition that functioned well in my Lugers, Walthers and Brownings without any leading, so factory lead can work.