No.4T Advice

[HALODIN]

Thanks for the list. I could only find Lock Stock & Barrel of Mossley, Lancs on the web --> http://www.ukgunroom.com. I'll try and find the right rifle first and then see if anyone will offer an appraisal.

Cheers,

Craig.

Lock Stock & Barrel of Mossley, Lancs

Simon Deakin, as well - though I forget what his trading name is!

They're both in the Lovat Society with me...

Chris Smith of SmithArms in Essex

Roger Payne in the West Midlands

Seth Ellett

...need any more?

[mas36]

Loads of sage advice here craig. Youve already had my two penneth and while I think it looks a really good rifle I am still not 100% sure about it being the genuine article. Strangely enough ive been talking to someone today who has had a 4t for several years - all correct and each component genuine but the rifle is fake, only given away by subtle little things that only an expert would spot. Take your time before taking the plunge.......

[HALODIN]

I will and thanks again for your help!

Loads of sage advice here craig. Youve already had my two penneth and while I think it looks a really good rifle I am still not 100% sure about it being the genuine article. Strangely enough ive been talking to someone today who has had a 4t for several years - all correct and each component genuine but the rifle is fake, only given away by subtle little things that only an expert would spot. Take your time before taking the plunge.......

[John MH]

My No.4T was a disappointment to shoot, as a collectors piece they are great but they don't shoot particularly well these days



By a wide margin the SMLE shoots better than all of them.

[HALODIN]

Nice looking arsenal!

How bad is the No.4T?

My No.4T was a disappointment to shoot, as a collectors piece they are great but they don't shoot particularly well these days

By a wide margin the SMLE shoots better than all of them.

[John MH]

4" groups at best at 100 yards with HXP, never really experimented much with home loads but those I did try were no better.

[mas36]

Wasnt the test group size for the 4t 4 inch at 200 yard? I would have expected a better group with hxp - ive always found this to be an accurate cartridge in pretty much any 303. What condition is the bore in?

[huntervixen]

My No.4T was a disappointment to shoot, as a collectors piece they are great but they don't shoot particularly well these days



By a wide margin the SMLE shoots better than all of them.

Thats a really nice and well balanced Enfield collection John, I don't understand why these No4T's aren't deadly accurate.....I remember reading BATTLE ACTION comic when I was a kid back in the 70's, I remember a story about a No4T sniper hitting a light switch at 400 yds with one.....oh hang on that was fantasy!!

You really do have to realistic with your expectations regarding the T, my father was a REME Armourer back in the early 50's and his recollection of the T is for obvious reasons a little foggy now, he does remember them being a right pain, freshly FTR'd examples coming back to base workshop and being no great shakes, in fact they weren't as consistently accurate as the then new No4 mk2 on average.

He does remember good examples, (ie a target not looking like it had been hit by a shotgun at 400 yds) being set aside to store and freshly FTR'd examples going straight into base workshop to be stripped back down and re bedded, some being re-bedded, back to the range....and apart again.....more than once before being reduced to DP status!!

Now lets remember they were very well used by then........and that was 60 years ago, the T's went on to serve right into the late 60s early 70s until being replaced by the L42 (rebuilt No4 T) since then they have been used and abused by civilians and constantly mucked about with.

As Adam said, trying to find an original rifle (genuine "T" that still has its original receiver/ bolt , scope and mount) that it was set up with back in WW2 is getting very difficult now.

So treat them like the the lovely collectable old war horses they are, but don't expect tack driving accuracy, I still prefer a good SMLE any day!

[ovenpaa]

Some are fairly accurate, I have put three rounds in a 12" group with my old 4(T) rested at 1000 yards. How much of that is down to pure luck is debatable however the three consecutive shots produced that group. For reference the post on the No32 Mk1 was wider than the target and I had to refer to the 300WM shooters either side for my fall of shot and it was the one on the left that called the group, the person on the right is a forum member.

Oddly enough I sold it straight afterwards.

[huntervixen]

They do have a certain coolness don't they, don't get me wrong I am an admirer of the T, out of my price range at the moment though. I don't think a serious Enfield collection is truly complete without one.

You just have to do your homework before buying and don't be afraid to ask the right questions!