LBR restrictions/law

[Ginger]

Iain,

can I assume from your post above that you cannot ask the NRA legal team etc for us?

[honsu]

Iain,

can I assume from your post above that you cannot ask the NRA legal team etc for us?

Iain is in SA at the moment so cant ask them [nice to see Karen did not kill him for being on here instead of not packing]



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[Andy632]

Iain,

can I assume from your post above that you cannot ask the NRA legal team etc for us?

I agree this is one of the Issues that the NRA should be dealing with in support of it's members. Maybe we should all write in and ask them what they are actually doing about this.

[judders]

I agree this is one of the Issues that the NRA should be dealing with in support of it's members.

+1

[IainWR]

Hi all

A couple of points

This issue is part of the bigger one encompassing S1 shotguns and LBP as well as LBRs. To fix it either: we need primary legislation (unlikely), or: we need somebody to get charged with an offence through borrowing or lending a S1 firearm on the grounds that the firearm isn't a "rifle" within the meaning of S15(1) Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988; we need the case to go through the court of first instance and on to Appeal; and we need them to be acquitted on appeal, thus creating a precedent binding on lower courts. My opinion is that such a prosecution is unlikely to end in the place we would wish, therefore it would be unreasonable to expect someone to bet their liberty on it doing so.

The NRA doesn't have a legal team as such (how big do you think the professional organisation actually is?). On firearms matters it has me. I'm not a lawyer (before joining the NRA staff I was an RAF pilot for 33 years), although I do hold a degree in law and I have studied the Firearms Acts and related legislation in some detail. If I thought that the issue was inportant enough and that there was a realistic prospect of success, I would be raising it at higher level as a matter to be taken on, with input from specialist lawyers. Unfortunately, as I said above, I don't think the outcome we would like is achievable through the courts. Therefore it is a matter to put forward if there is, in the future, an opportunity to do so as part of the preparation of a proposal to amend the Firearms Acts. When that opportunity might be I'm afraid I don't know.

Iain

[Ginger]

Apparently it changed in July last year, the home office now approves lbr's all you have to do is do a variation on the club cert

[IainWR]

Hi Ginger

If you have a source for that in writing I would be most grateful for a copy.

yours

Iain
NRA Firearms Manager

[karen]

Just so you all know whilst Iain was writing that last message I was waiting on my own in a bar for him. People were giving me funny looks and the barman (who I had told my husband had popped up to the hotel room for 2 minutes to allegedly drop a bag off) obviously thought I was some sort of lady of the night preying on his hotel guests!

Iain is now in deep doodoo (even though he does have a very understanding wife)

Love

Karen

[Ginger]

Hi Ginger

If you have a source for that in writing I would be most grateful for a copy.

yours

Iain
NRA Firearms Manager

Hi Iain,

in hand, I have asked my Club Secretary to write to the NRA regarding the changes as our local force has granted LBR's on our club ticket.

[Chapuis]

Hi Ginger

If you have a source for that in writing I would be most grateful for a copy.

yours

Iain
NRA Firearms Manager

Hi Iain,

in hand, I have asked my Club Secretary to write to the NRA regarding the changes as our local force has granted LBR's on our club ticket.

That's interesting because our local force initialy granted one club permission to purchase a LBR then they later revoked that authority and refused to grant permission for another club to aquire a LBP. I would point out that this was about two years ago. I forgot to mention that the first club was required to sell the LBR that they had purchased.