Section 1 is Section 1, right....?

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Re: Section 1 is Section 1, right....?

#11 Post by ordnance »

I'm not familiar with the laws in NI, are you saying then that pistols in NI are section 1 and not 5 as in the rest of the UK.
Yes pistols are sec-1 here in N Ireland. There is a big event coming here this year the police and fire games. There are some shooting events that will be worth going to.
Police Action Pistol (PAP)

Monday, 5 August 2013
Tuesday, 6 August 2013
Wednesday, 7 August 2013

Police Pistol Combat (PPC)

Thursday, 8 August 2013
Friday, 9 August 2013
Saturday, 10 August 2013



The 2013 World Police and Fire Games Federation and the Police Service of Northern Ireland have agreed that the Police Service of Northern Ireland will provide all necessary firearms and ammunition required by competitors for the SWAT and Biathlon events. This means that if you plan to compete in these events you do not need to bring any firearms or ammunition.
The weapon systems that will be provided are:

Glock 17 9 mm pistol
H&K MP5 9 mm sub machine gun
H&K G36c 5.56 mm rifle
H&K G36k 5.56 mm rifle
Remington 870 Law Enforcement Pump Action Shotguns
H&K PBT Gas Delivery Guns (Baton Guns)
Accuracy International AW 7.62 mm rifle.

All firearms and ammunition will be taken into police safekeeping on your arrival in Northern Ireland. No firearms or ammunition will be permitted to be stored with you at your accommodation. All firearms and ammunition will be stored by police until such time as individual athletes or delegations depart Northern Ireland. Firearms will be available at the competition venue for any practice events.

World Police and Fire Games 2013, Belfast, Northern Ireland





http://www.2013wpfg.com/

As for the original question i am not sure but it would be worth looking into. As for bringing in new handguns you could use a second hand gun.
A local dealers list of handguns for sale. PS I would like the les Baer but its a bit expensive.

RF3-21-10 Beretta 92FS Pistol 9MM N/A N/A 5" £495.00
RF3-20-9 Browning 1911 Pistol .22Lr N/A N/A 4.25" £395.00
RF3-18-18 Browning GP Practical H.P Pistol 9MM N/A N/A 4.5" £875.00
RF3-19-9 Glock 17 Pistol 9MM N/A N/A 4.5" £495.00
RF3-22-11 Glock 34 Gen 4 Pistol 9MM 5" £0.00
RF3-17-3 Glock 17 Gen 4 Pistol 9MM N/A N/A 4.5" £675.00
RF3-13-1 Glock 22 Gen 4 Pistol .40 N/A N/A 4.5" £675.00
RF3-10-15 Glock 22 Pistol .40 N/A N/A 4.5" £495.00
RF3-22-7 Hammerli X-eese Pistol .22Lr N/A N/A 6" £675.00
RF3-22-10 Hammerli X-eese Pistol .22 6" £0.00
RF3-22-6 Les Baer 1911 Boss Pistol .45 N/A N/A 5" £1,995.00.
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#12 Post by paxtond »

The fact NI and IOM can still have pistols makes our ban even more crazy, surely the shooting organisation should raise this issue for us
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#13 Post by meles meles »

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#14 Post by LeighC »

I spoke to a friend of mine in NI who is of the opinion that the government are just waiting for a suitable legislative opportunity to move handguns there to S5 as well. He told me that there have been a spate of thefts from FAC holders homes and handguns have, seemingly, been the target.

You're right though, it is a nonsense, I believe that self loading, full bore rifles are also still legal in the Channel Islands too!
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#15 Post by ordnance »

The fact NI and IOM can still have pistols makes our ban even more crazy, surely the shooting organisation should raise this issue for us
It was a labour minister that made the decision.

Quote. On April 2nd 1998, the then Northern Secretary, Mo Mowlam, announced that she was not "convinced of the need to prohibit the possession and use" of handguns, bearing in mind the "clear commitment to maintaining the highest standards of personal behaviour" of firearms holders.
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#16 Post by ordnance »

I spoke to a friend of mine in NI who is of the opinion that the government are just waiting for a suitable legislative opportunity to move handguns there to S5 as well. He told me that there have been a spate of thefts from FAC holders homes and handguns have, seemingly, been the target.
That's possible but that's like saying that the uk government are going to ban shotguns because they are being stolen. Also paramilitares have never had problems obtaining firearms. There are also a lot of handguns owned as personal protection weapons. The N I government would have a say that sort of decision and i don't know any of the parties that have a problem with the firearms laws the way they are. Infect they have changed the legislation to make it easier to change handguns i can go to a dealers tomorrow and trade in one handgun in for another of the same caliber and walk out of the shop with it the dealer does the paper work.
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#17 Post by mr smith »

ordnance wrote:Infect they have changed the legislation to make it easier to change handguns i can go to a dealers tomorrow and trade in one handgun in for another of the same caliber and walk out of the shop with it the dealer does the paper work.

Now that is far too sensible.
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#18 Post by Dr. Strangelove »

With regards to the original post, it wouldn't work. Despite not being S5 in NI, the pistol is still classed as S5 on the mainland because it didn't start life with a 12" barrel and 24" OAL.
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#19 Post by SevenSixTwo »

In that case, how are S1 FALs possible? Still confusled on that one...
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#20 Post by pe4king »

SevenSixTwo wrote:In that case, how are S1 FALs possible? Still confusled on that one...
British government, making it up as they go along, and in crayon.
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