The 9mm leaver release Facts

[toffe wrapper]

Hi All

With all the bad press can we get some facts listed as opposed to rumour and a bloke in the club.

Mine did not feed from new
Some sharp edges around bolt face and extractor needing filing back (now sorted by bob)
The gen 4 Glock mags have stiff springs and bits of plastic that need attention.
It took a few mins to sort and I posted pics on the issues showing the solution.

A batch came with issues with the barrell crowning (now sorted)

1 has had a catastrophic failure due to PPU factory ammo which is not the best ammo
I have had PPU 308 168 match ammo with loose bullets that could be pushed in with you finger
This happend on the bisley zero range with 2 of the fun gunners presant when bullets were checked they were under size.

It would also be nice to know how many are in use and working.

TW

[Blue Lizard]

Mine was ordered end of March '12 and received August '12.

No problems with mags or cycling, but it was one of the batch that had bad crowning - sorted out within a week by return to SGC.

Other than one box of Federal American Eagle 115gr FMJ used during initial testing to check the crowning problem, I've shot PPU 115gr FMJ ever since - around 1200 rounds total by now.

[bnz41]

Sorry the Negative side of the 9mm.
This was Sue's rifle and never trusted it again.
We had one of the first reworked ones (after the section 5 problems) Uzi mag type. Told not to use reloads so we did'nt ours went section 5 twice, retuned to SGC both times by our dealer, Bob informed us went sec5 because it was dirty, (how do you use it and not get it dirty). Our dealer said they checked it before sending it away it was clean. The second time Bob also changed the lever release arm and spring and altered the mag lips as well) never used it again sold it.

[Cj10]

Sorry the Negative side of the 9mm.
This was Sue's rifle and never trusted it again.
We had one of the first reworked ones (after the section 5 problems) Uzi mag type. Told not to use reloads so we did'nt ours went section 5 twice, retuned to SGC both times by our dealer, Bob informed us went sec5 because it was dirty, (how do you use it and not get it dirty). Our dealer said they checked it before sending it away it was clean. The second time Bob also changed the lever release arm and spring and altered the mag lips as well) never used it again sold it. Never buy anything from him again.

This.

My original got seized as section five. Bob implied that was down to me. He was encouraging people to return the rifles to him. Only issue being, whilst he was a section 5 dealer, he didn't hold s5 ab authority which, by then, ACPO considered the lever release to be. All of those rifles returned to him were subsequently seized by Devon & Cornwall Constabulary. Bob considered this whole epiosde to be a technicality.

The replacement took about six months to be delivered to a local RFD. Bob wouldn't pay the transfer fee as, "It was all my fault the original had been taken by the police." The RFD concerned was present when I had the phone conversation with Bob about the transfer fee, and, fortunately, found Bob's position to be so ludicrous he waived the fee.

I don't use the replacement when it is dirty either.

Ceri

[toffe wrapper]

Sorry missed a word in my first post
Should have been working / not working as it is abourt facts all facts are required good or bad.
So if it is negative so be it no need to be sorry for the truth.

All I want is for people to have an informed opinon on the 9mm lrr based on first hand expierance.

TW

[NoEntry]

Mine was one of the first ones made after the S5 fiasco.
I was awaiting delivery when it all hit the fan. i got a call from SGC advising me of the situation
and Bob kept me informed (from his point of view) of the progress of the problems, this may or may not be down to me contacting him every couple of weeks, I was quite happy with both the attitude and service from SGC.

When the gun finally arrived, smack on the date I was quoted, I ran it in with around 500 rounds of commercial ammo, mainly S&B, but also some Remmy. The gun performed flawlessly from the outset.
I tried using 125 grn lead bullets which it didnt like at all, causing leading to the flash hider. From then on I used 115grn fmj home loads til the day I sold it. I kept it spotlessly clean, like all my guns and it gave me no trouble at all apart from the odd stovepipe.

My only real gripe was the cost of extra mags..£52 each. I needed 5 for my gallery rifle comps. had it not been for Dan the Man coming to my rescue with a couple of 25 rnd mags it would have cost me a bomb.

Oh yeh, personaly I would have preferred 10rnd mags.

My experience of both the gun and SGC were good. i will do it all again when I can get hold of one.

Mike

[phaedra1106]

I won't go through the whole saga again, but just a few facts.

Before ordering it I specifically told Bob it would be mainly used with reloaded ammunition and provided him with the proposed loads, he advised the specific barrel length and twist rate best suited and told me to go ahead and order one. At that time I was unaware of any problems he had with users using reloads and at no time did he bother to point it out.

On receipt of the rifle I noticed the upper and lower had what appeared to be small "holes" all over the surface, these to me looked like casting voids and are certainly not on any other firearm I own or have handled and are easily visible on the main threads photos.

From the outset the gun was a bad feeder and frequently jammed rounds half way into the throat causing damage to the cases in the form of a crease. After the failure I re-examined the photos I posted here trying show the jamming problem and it became obvious on some that in fact the feed ramp had risen and was stopping the bolt fully seating the round, this fact has been completely disregarded and ignored by Bob.

The gun has been looked at by 3 RFDs and a metallurgist from GE, ALL have said they believe that the most likely cause is the failure of the rear lug and with the bolt then unable to fully retract the pressure took the path of least resistance back through the charge handle and caused the splitting of the upper.

Again this is completely denied by Bob who has insisted at various times that it was a. an undercharged reload b. an overcharged reload c. (after my RCO confirmed it was PRVI factory ammo being shot) it was an under or overcharged round which PRVI say they have never had a report of or d. That because I had used reloaded ammunition regardless of the cause there is no warranty so wouldn't repair it anyway.

Only after some input from Shooting Supplies (who have continually passed anything I ask them straight to Bob and not done anything to actually help) he agreed he would repair it for the modest price of £520, had this been a standard AR15 build I could have picked up a blank upper in the US for $80. That was back in October and, as I said in another thread the gun is still sat at SGC as they returned it incomplete missing the complete firing pin assembly and parts of the bolt.

[DanTheMan]

Mine was also section 5 but returned with a new lower and has been trouble free since then, it has had approx 4-5,000 reloads through it and more than double that for factory ammo, on one day alone it had 1200rds (my whole allowance) through it before it was handed in as s5 - was not sure we would get them back at that point.
It's out on at least one range every week, Bisley / Weybridge / Ash and is accurate out to 200yds - especially with the Hirtenberger. I have to reload lead as our club is banned from using FMJ, unfortunately it suffers from leading so I had the flash hider reamed right out and now I just drill it out to clear it again every few months. Apart from this the only modification I have made is a tac latch and a brass catcher.

I will admit to having a few F2F jams in the first few weeks, it was still rough and thickly greased up and cycling too slowly but once worn in it's been faultless. It's not keen on the old RG2Z ammo as the flat bullet profile does not feed reliably, and if you get it really dirty and wet it gums up and won't feed anything.

Here it is with some silverware that it's won in the last 12 months, I shoot it with MBUS iron sights in club and postal comps and pop on an Eotech for the Bisley Imperial. A mate knocked up a 10 round mag to make it eligible to enter the postal comps.


Here are a selection of my best comp targets, managed to win consecutive Hendon league divisions with iron sights (and a 6lb trigger), never managed scores like that with my Winchester.


These are the bullets I reload, LTC with 3.5gr Bullseye on a Lee Pro1000 press.

[paxtond]

Looks as if they are very hit and miss, still fancy giving one a try

[meles meles]

If I were you, I'd ask for one that hits...