Gaz wrote:Reading the rules for the 2nd Feb shoot (which I fully intend coming to!), it says “Any SMLE / No. 4 / No. 5 rifle, service pattern as issued, with no attachments”. Obviously this is to exclude bayonets (boo! but a sensible precaution for the rundowns) but does this exclude slings as well?
No.
Slings are allowed, assuming they are 37 Patt; or if shooting a No.4T with iron sights then the M17 American sling would be allowed.
You can even attach them forward of the magazine and top sling hook to configure the "Light Infantry Sling" if you want to. In fact I have found this method to be ideal for CSR in the days when I competed in the "Historic" classification.
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Gaz wrote:Reading the rules for the 2nd Feb shoot (which I fully intend coming to!), it says “Any SMLE / No. 4 / No. 5 rifle, service pattern as issued, with no attachments”. Obviously this is to exclude bayonets (boo! but a sensible precaution for the rundowns) but does this exclude slings as well?
I read the rules as meaning no slings. I do know that the last time that I shot this with a No4 'as issued' slings were not to be used to steady the rifle as the use of the sling to steady/support the rifle was never taught by the British army.
I am sure some one who has recently shot this match will be along to confirm the exact rules.
Ok Mick, can you please explain to me why the sling is allowed to be attached to a swivel in front of the Magazine. This was not an issued swivel, there fore the rifle is not being used 'as issued'.
As issued to me means the rifle as it came off the rack in the armoury on general issue. I just wish that organisers of service rifle matches would be consistent on the rules and conduct of shooting especially when it comes to 'classic/historic service rifles.
Steve E wrote:Ok Mick, can you please explain to me why the sling is allowed to be attached to a swivel in front of the Magazine. This was not an issued swivel, there fore the rifle is not being used 'as issued'.
As issued to me means the rifle as it came off the rack in the armoury on general issue. I just wish that organisers of service rifle matches would be consistent on the rules and conduct of shooting especially when it comes to 'classic/historic service rifles.
Steve
The Bisley bible was "tided up" sometime ago and under Historic it just says "As issued sling".
Steve E wrote:Ok Mick, can you please explain to me why the sling is allowed to be attached to a swivel in front of the Magazine. This was not an issued swivel, there fore the rifle is not being used 'as issued'.
As issued to me means the rifle as it came off the rack in the armoury on general issue. I just wish that organisers of service rifle matches would be consistent on the rules and conduct of shooting especially when it comes to 'classic/historic service rifles.
Steve
The Bisley bible was "tided up" sometime ago and under Historic it just says "As issued sling".
Lets not go making up rules that don't exist!
I sense a can of worms here. My rifle is as issued; no sling swivel on the front trigger guard screw and I run the sling between the butt swivel and the centre band. Is it legit to put one of the angled target rifle swivels onto the front trigger guard screw, as while that was issued on the No.8, L39 etc, as far as my limited knowledge goes it wasn't a standard fitting for the No.4 rifle.
4 simple classes, no cans of worms, how hard do you want to make it ?
Historic Enfield
a Any SMLE, No 4 or No 5 .303” service rifle
b Rests may not be used
c Trigger weight 4.5lbs minimum
d As issued sling
Any Iron
a Iron sights only
b No restriction on slings
c Rests are prohibited
d Trigger weight 4.5lbs minimum
e Magazine resting is permitted, no part of the wrist of the supporting arm may touch the ground
Service Optic
a No restriction on slings
b Magazine resting is permitted, but no part of the wrist of the supporting arm may touch the ground
c Fore grips are prohibited, as are any modifications to the fore end, such as hand or sling stops, intended to facilitate an advantage with the support hand.
d Bipods are prohibited
e Trigger weight 4.5lbs minimum
f Optic sights maximum magnification of 4.bowl
Practical Optic
a No restriction on slings or rests
b Bipods may be used, but must remain fitted at all times
c Vertical fore grips may be used, but must remain fitted at all times
d Trigger weight 1.5kg minimum
e No restriction on optic sights
As Strangley said, lets not go making up rules that don't exist. If you are planning to enter and are not sure and want to be; contact the match organiser or CSR rep at the NRA for guidance.
So far after 4 rounds and 8 matches this season, 3 people have shot a grand total of 4 matches (a match is half a day) in the historic class at CSR, compared to 54 people who have shot service optic, so it's hardly over subscribed anyway.
Put it another way, if you are planning on shooting, I wouldn't let a sling mount stop you.
Sorry to be a numpty but I am new to this. I have a late model No 4 Mk 2. The receiver is stamped "Parker Hale" and "Regulated by Fulton", although Fulton's tell me they haven't used that stamp since the 70s. Rifle has the standard Singer sight adjustable for elevation only. There is an angled swivel in front of the magazine but I have fitted a standard, as issued original webbing sling to the butt and centre band swivels.
My question is - if I entered the Historic discipline, could I use the sling to steady the aim, or is the sling just allowed as decoration? Apparently this method was taught to Army cadets (school CCF equivalent) in the late 40's and allowed to be done when those cadets then did their National Service in the late 50s.
Thanks for any advice.
