Nitro Muzzle Loading Conversion

[ovenpaa]

Iain,

Normally I would agree whole heartedly, once an S5 always an S5 however this has been demonstrated as not being the case with the recent L1A1 conversions that have recently come onto the UK market

http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=9213

So perhaps this is feasible for an S5 dealer/machine shop.

[IainWR]

Just out of technical curiosity, what primers does it use and how are they fitted / removed?

[Mike357]

I did ask Alan last year if he could modify a S&W 686 into a ML but he doesnt have the authority to acquire them.

How much is a 686 on the continent?

[Mike357]

Just out of technical curiosity, what primers does it use and how are they fitted / removed?

Shotgun primers, pushed I and they easily flick out I believe.

[Sim G]

Now here's a thought......

How about an RFD in Northern Ireland taking a s1 revolver there, such as S&W 686 as mentioned above and then convert it to a muzzle loading revolver as per a Westlake conversion. Section 1 still and legal in the rest of GB as such?

[Blackstuff]

The new purpose built ones are even sexier!

http://westlakeengineering.com/15105.html

Although somehow they've gone up in price by £60 in the last 2 weeks :roll: :cool2:

[Mike357]

Blackstuff, the Armscor revolvers are not as well made as the Taurus. A little rough up close!

[SeaWolf]

Mike's right. Shotgun primers. When I first got my gun I could see how they push in from the back, but I was worried about how to get them out. I did shoot a couple off without gunpowder to test. I tried picking with a fingernail without success. Of course I should have tried the simplest method first. A light tap on the palm of my hand and they just fall out ! Duh ! Also because of the design of the gun, and the close tolerance between the frame and the back of the chambers, they are unlikely to fall off in use or drop into the works, unlike the usual black powder nipple arrangement.

[Sim G]

Although somehow they've gone up in price by £60 in the last 2 weeks

wtfwtf So he wants 500 quid for what is essentially an Armscor M200! I appreciate you can't really make comparisons, but come on, they retail for less than 200 dollars in the US! OK, the cylinders are different, but if a whole revolver costs 200 dollars at the retailer, what is the percentage of the cylinder and at the factory what did that cost in hard cash?

Sorry, but if the idea is to still try and incite the heady days of pre 1996, this is a fail. No one then would ever have dreamed of spending 600 pounds on a Taurus, never mind 500 on an Armscor!

And her in lies the problem. Whether Westlake hasn't managed to negotiate a better price or that someone is making a lot of money, I reckon you won't see 100 of these revolvers sold. The potential market is tens of thousands of that there is no doubt. You may have a product for it but it has to be at the right price as well.....

[SeaWolf]

Hi Sim,

Your prophecy about the Armscor guns may well be true, but there are quite a few lads in my club waiting to see how my Taurus shoots to make the final decision about an Armscor. Dond' forget that Alan Westlake has to do a lot to these guns to make them into nitro muzzle loaders. The quality steel will not be cheap for the cylinders, and then there's the precision engineering work .. all done by hand ... to actually produce the goods. £40 an hour for someone's precision work is a standard rate nowadays.

Chacun a son gout, as les Froggies say ! (s*** ! Am I allowed to say that ?!!!)

It's a bit like the blokes that won't shoot black powder pistols because it's messy and a hassle to clean the gun afterwards. For me it's no problem, and you develop ways to do it quickly anyway. Actually these nitro powered muzzle loaders do away with the dirt & cleaning hassles anyway. Then there's others like me who love pistols and will shoot them anytime and any way, but if it's raining you won't get me down on the rifle range to shoot 7.62 at 400 yards !

And remember ... everything is worth EXACTLY what someone is willing to pay for it. It's clearly a no-no for you, but I'm delighted with my £1200 Taurus nitro muzzle loader !