Hilsborough revelations / Dunblane

[Dangermouse]

After yesterdays revelations where by it appears clear that everyone from the top down ignored / changed / misled / lied about the evidence, which in that case had thousands of witnesses, am I the only one thinking about what happened with the Dunblane investigation?

DM

[John25]

When those who have put themselves at the top lie, who judges them?

When those immedietely under their control also lie and commit illegal acts which go unpunished, when will there ever be truth and peace?

Does anyone actually believe the myth that we live in a free country?

It is free only to scroungers, liars, cheats and deceivers.

The cheats and liars in these two instances still have their top jobs,their pensions and no concience.

[Blackstuff]

I was thinking similar DM, hopefully the parents of the children killed, who didn't want to act as government/police stooges at the time and were in no uncertain terms to stop asking questions, are also thinking the same thing too. I'll not hold my breath for a similar disclosure though.

[dodgyrog]

Isn't the Dunblane enquiry on 100 years secrecy!!! Except for the bit that that Bliar chose to release.

[Gaz]

Scotland's police, judiciary and government are all well known for being corrupt and covering for each other's backsides. The 100 year publication ban is to protect the guilty, pure and simple.

[Blu]

Scotland's police, judiciary and government are all well known for being corrupt and covering for each other's backsides. The 100 year publication ban is to protect the guilty, pure and simple.

Really? do you have evidence to back that up? I think you are way out of line tarring all Scottish Police Officers with the same brush because of a few bad ones. You being a reporter I'm quite frankly surprised at what you say in light of the Police corruption cases in England in the last year or so. There are bad apples in every barrel but that doesn't mean they are all bad. If I didn't know better I'd say you were anti everything Scottish, you certainly seem to go out of your way to have a pop at anything Scottish when you can

Blu

[Gaz]

I'm not anti-Scottish, I just wouldn't trust anything governmental in Scotland to tell me the colour of the sky. There have been all sorts of interesting rumours flying around the blogosphere about senior politicians, policemen and judges being far closer to each other than is healthy. Not substantiated because Scotland is a small enough place, with enough lack of democratic accountability, to make it very easy for officials to make life "difficult" for those they take a dislike to.

Look at the numerous, under-reported, instances of Scottish journalists covering football - a sport, not even crime or politics! - being intimidated into staying away from certain topics. I have one or two media contacts up there and from what they tell me the whole place is very tribal, and not in a healthy rivalry kind of way. One football ground banned a local paper's photographers from entering their ground because they didn't like the way the paper was reporting the club's financial situation (or something similar, I forget exactly what). I am told that sort of attitude is rife: "do as we tell you or we'll screw you over."

Plus Alex Salmond wants to ban airguns, which puts him right outside the pale as far as I'm concerned!

[Blu]

I'm not anti-Scottish, I just wouldn't trust anything governmental in Scotland to tell me the colour of the sky. There have been all sorts of interesting rumours flying around the blogosphere about senior politicians, policemen and judges being far closer to each other than is healthy. Not substantiated because Scotland is a small enough place, with enough lack of democratic accountability, to make it very easy for officials to make life "difficult" for those they take a dislike to.

Look at the numerous, under-reported, instances of Scottish journalists covering football - a sport, not even crime or politics! - being intimidated into staying away from certain topics. I have one or two media contacts up there and from what they tell me the whole place is very tribal, and not in a healthy rivalry kind of way. One football ground banned a local paper's photographers from entering their ground because they didn't like the way the paper was reporting the club's financial situation (or something similar, I forget exactly what). I am told that sort of attitude is rife: "do as we tell you or we'll screw you over."

Plus Alex Salmond wants to ban airguns, which puts him right outside the pale as far as I'm concerned!

There have been all sorts of interesting rumours flying around the blogosphere

And that sums it all up in one, rumours

from what they tell me the whole place is very tribal, and not in a healthy rivalry kind of way

If your contacts in Scotland are anything like the rest of the vultures in the media I'd take what they say with a pinch of salt.

Blu

[Blackstuff]

The 100 year publication ban is to protect the guilty, pure and simple.

There is no other explanation. The official line that it is to protect the children/parents is laughable, most newspapers printed 'that' class photo within the week giving all of the childrens names and a description of whether they were killed, injured or unscathed. The only thing that should remain covered by the secrecy order are the childrens autopsies and the photographs of those killed in the gym, (with the exception of hamilton so the conspiracy theory about his injuries can be put to bed), everything else should be made public, particularly the details of how Hamiltons FAC file went 'missing' :roll:

[Chuck]

Blackstuff.. clapclap clapclap They DO have something to hide, that's for sure.!