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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:25 am 
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Councilling, noun and verb, the act of fobbing off one's responsibilities upon the council, living off the state, abrogating responsibility

see also,

Counselling, noun, the necessity for the inadequate to be taken round the back of the billet by a couple of corporals for some advice and the application of starch to the upper lip.

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Almost on the same topic...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:35 am 
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Dangermouse wrote:
My concern with this is that shooters will not attend the services provided by (what was) the NHS. Failing to seek help or advice when feeling out of sorts can eventually lead to a form of depression. A downward spiral which in a tiny number of cases, without help and intervention, could result in firearms being used to take life.
Curious how this would pan out if you turned up with your partner and asked for marrige councilling etc?

If you want to keep your ticket, don't access any form of mental health service or visit your doctor for anything other than a life-threatening illness. I do wonder what the police would/could do if you de-registered from the NHS altogether.

Notice how on the latest grant/renewal form the list of qualifying medical conditions has expanded far beyond the old "stress or depression". Strokes and heart disease now count against you! This is nothing to do with public safety, this is about widening the net of conditions that can be used to refuse and revoke FACs/SGCs.

How do we stop this? How do we get seats round the tables of the cosy chats which erode ever more of our freedom to go about our daily business without being spied upon by every state employee and his dog, purely because we want to take part in a lawful and low-risk activity?

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Thanks for posting this it is very intresting

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Gaz wrote:
Dangermouse wrote:

How do we stop this? How do we get seats round the tables of the cosy chats which erode ever more of our freedom to go about our daily business without being spied upon by every state employee and his dog, purely because we want to take part in a lawful and low-risk activity?


You start wearing a piece of ethnic / religious regalia and riot in the streets...

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:00 pm 
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Gaz wrote:
Notice how on the latest grant/renewal form the list of qualifying medical conditions has expanded far beyond the old "stress or depression". Strokes and heart disease now count against you! This is nothing to do with public safety, this is about widening the net of conditions that can be used to refuse and revoke FACs/SGCs.

Not sure that's really changed much to be honest Gaz, I have always had to disclose other medical conditions although they may not have been specified by name on the form as stress and depression were. Note question 15a on the old form 101 - "Do you suffer from any medical condition or disability including..." etc (my bold).


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From the NRA website:

Changes to Firearm and Shotgun Renewal and Variation process

The application process for grant, renewal or variation of a firearm or shotgun certificate changes substantially on 1 December. The new process has benefitted from substantial input from the National Governing Bodies through the British Shooting Sports Council and although still rather cumbersome is a considerable improvement.

For notes on the changes and to download the new application forms, click here http://www.nra.org.uk/common/files/memb ... newals.pdf


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We posted one of the new variation forms off to West Mercia police yesterday. We'll report back on what happens...

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I note from another forum, that the notes on airguns say they can now only be transferred/sold via an RFD

A typo yes, but still present on the forms!

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So how does one fill in form 202 to increase an ammunition limit? Say if one had 1000 .22RF, and wanted 2000?

One could:
a) specify 1000 .22RF in the ADD section, OR
b) specify 1000 .22RF in the DELETE section, and then 2000 .22RF in the ADD section.

Anyone care to suggest the correct way forward?

David. (not overly impressed with the new forms)


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