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Re: FAC Questions
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:32 pm
by Mattnall
Pippin89 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:29 am
The intention of the questions, as Mattnall says, is to invoke the asking of questions. If any are answered yes, then it will be up to the club committee to decide on whether someone is admitted or not. Of course, police have to approve the admission of a member too but will only say a flat out "no" if they are a prohibited person.
We have had the FLD come back with a 'rather not' and a couple of out right refusals and one 'speak to their county's FLD.
Re: FAC Questions
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:01 pm
by Pippin89
Mattnall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:32 pm
Pippin89 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:29 am
The intention of the questions, as Mattnall says, is to invoke the asking of questions. If any are answered yes, then it will be up to the club committee to decide on whether someone is admitted or not. Of course, police have to approve the admission of a member too but will only say a flat out "no" if they are a prohibited person.
We have had the FLD come back with a 'rather not' and a couple of out right refusals and one 'speak to their county's FLD.
The ones we have usually fall into 3 categories:
- Cannot comment due to data protection
- Prohibited person / refusal
Never actually seen the last one but I assume they would say so... The middle one they are not refusing but not suggesting there is no problem at all. At another club I have also seen a "we're not refusing but there may be problems if they apply for an FAC".... That was an interesting one.
Re: FAC Questions
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:01 pm
by Pippin89
Mattnall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:32 pm
Pippin89 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:29 am
The intention of the questions, as Mattnall says, is to invoke the asking of questions. If any are answered yes, then it will be up to the club committee to decide on whether someone is admitted or not. Of course, police have to approve the admission of a member too but will only say a flat out "no" if they are a prohibited person.
We have had the FLD come back with a 'rather not' and a couple of out right refusals and one 'speak to their county's FLD.
The ones we have usually fall into 3 categories:
- Cannot comment due to data protection
- Prohibited person / refusal
Never actually seen the last one but I assume they would say so... The middle one they are not refusing but not suggesting there is no problem at all. At another club I have also seen a "we're not refusing but there may be problems if they apply for an FAC".... That was an interesting one.
Re: FAC Questions
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:51 pm
by Mattnall
That last one is causing us some issue too as the other county is not responding.
Really I don't think it is our duty to ask them as we have done our bit by informing our FLD.
The 'rather not' was a bit of a head scratcher as the applicant was obviously not a prohibited person but there must have been something - but to potentially leave the decision up to us seemed a bit wrong.
Re: FAC Questions
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:37 am
by Pippin89
Mattnall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:51 pm
That last one is causing us some issue too as the other county is not responding.
Really I don't think it is our duty to ask them as we have done our bit by informing our FLD.
The 'rather not' was a bit of a head scratcher as the applicant was obviously not a prohibited person but there must have been something - but to potentially leave the decision up to us seemed a bit wrong.
Especially when they can't tell you why due to data protection....
Re: FAC Questions
Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 4:17 pm
by crismaqsood
Probably silly question here but, relating to buying and selling rifles/ 1-to-1 variations...
Have asked around and got 2 versions for the same issue:
1. Every time you sell a rifle, you need to apply for a 1-to1 variation to be able to purchase another rifle (same calibre)
2. 1-to1 variations are to be used when you want to "swap" the slot from one calibre to another. If you sell a rifle (meaning the slot is empty again) and then buy a rifle of the same calibre you only have to do the "normal" steps of informing the police force of the transaction.
Which one is true???? So confused here
Re: FAC Questions
Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 5:34 pm
by Mattnall
crismaqsood wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:17 pm
Probably silly question here but, relating to buying and selling rifles/ 1-to-1 variations...
Have asked around and got 2 versions for the same issue:
1. Every time you sell a rifle, you need to apply for a 1-to1 variation to be able to purchase another rifle (same calibre)
2. 1-to1 variations are to be used when you want to "swap" the slot from one calibre to another. If you sell a rifle (meaning the slot is empty again) and then buy a rifle of the same calibre you only have to do the "normal" steps of informing the police force of the transaction.
Which one is true???? So confused here
1. is true.
The conditions on your FAC will highlight this (at least on most FACs I have seen recently).
You cannot sell and then replace a firearm or component even of the same type and calibre/cartridge size without getting a new authorisation (variation), the so called 1-4-1 variation.
The 1-4-1 variation is also used to change an existing free, or unfilled, slot to another calibre/cartridge or even different type of firearm.
Re: FAC Questions
Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 6:23 pm
by crismaqsood
Mattnall wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:34 pm
crismaqsood wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:17 pm
Probably silly question here but, relating to buying and selling rifles/ 1-to-1 variations...
Have asked around and got 2 versions for the same issue:
1. Every time you sell a rifle, you need to apply for a 1-to1 variation to be able to purchase another rifle (same calibre)
2. 1-to1 variations are to be used when you want to "swap" the slot from one calibre to another. If you sell a rifle (meaning the slot is empty again) and then buy a rifle of the same calibre you only have to do the "normal" steps of informing the police force of the transaction.
Which one is true???? So confused here
1. is true.
The conditions on your FAC will highlight this (at least on most FACs I have seen recently).
You cannot sell and then replace a firearm or component even of the same type and calibre/cartridge size without getting a new authorisation (variation), the so called 1-4-1 variation.
The 1-4-1 variation is also used to change an existing free, or unfilled, slot to another calibre/cartridge or even different type of firearm.
Thank you for the explanation. I was really confused as there's some people saying either one of them is true...
Re: FAC Questions
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 7:36 am
by Blackstuff
Whoever is saying 2/ is the correct procedure either doesn't have an FAC or is yet to sell a gun and try to replace it.
If they find a private seller who is equally clueless they may actually get the new gun but on sending in their notification to the police they'll be getting a rather awkward phone call pretty sharpish!
You 'use' slots once you fill them, selling the gun that used the slot does not bring the slot back.
Re: FAC Questions
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 9:05 am
by Mattnall
crismaqsood wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:23 pm
crismaqsood wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:17 pm
2.
1-to1 variations are to be used when you want to "swap" the slot from one calibre to another. If you sell a rifle (meaning the slot is empty again) and then buy a rifle of the same calibre you only have to do the "normal" steps of informing the police force of the transaction.
Thank you for the explanation. I was really confused as there's some people saying either one of them is true...
This
bold part of No2 is true but only one of the things you can vary on a 1-4-1, it is not the whole story.
The rest of it is just plain wrong.
Perhaps some are only reading the first bit of No2 and ignoring the second sentence.
