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#1 Post by Dangermouse »

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012 ... rs-f-ar15/

Here is an idea that at least one range in the USA is trying out. Initially when I read that it came about to give all the AR shooters a chance to shoot F Class, I thought that as we are not as in to the AR's in the UK, it would be a non starter. But having thought on it a little, I don't see why not. I am sure that there are a lot of AR owners in the UK who would be interested in this. Certainly it would help me justify getting a AR in 2012.
I dint imagine that the F Class league would be too interested in this but as with any competition, it only takes a few like minded people to organise a comp. What I particularly like about this is that it can all be done on one range at Bisley and in theory would require less messing around,

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John is the Match Director for Centerfire Prone at ZIA Rifle and Pistol Club, Albuquerque, New Mexico. Realizing the popularity of AR-type rifles on the range, John has created a new Mid-Range (600 yard) F-Class format for AR15-type rifles, using the same targets, ½ MOA X, 1 MOA 10 @ 600 yards. This new venue is essentially plinking for F-Class shooters, without the high set-up cost. Another reason for creating this new category is that not many ranges across the country have 1,000 yard ranges, hence F-Class shooters “practice” at 600 yard distances. This gives them trigger time, but given the evolution and development of F-Class rifles, 600 yards presents no challenge except in the worst winds. Switching to a .223 format for AR platforms provides an opportunity for new and younger shooters to “get into the game” at a much reduced expense. New AR shooters will find keeping all their rounds in the black at 600 yards a challenge, consistently shooting 10’s or better will take considerable more effort, and should provide enough challenge for even the most seasoned F-Class shooter.

The new format, F-AR15, will be a spinoff of F-TR, but will be restricted to .223/5.56x45 shooting 68 – 77 grain Match type bullets. They must be loaded at magazine length of 2.260” OAL or less and fired from the magazine, as the firearm was originally designed to be used. No single loading of long seated bullets will be permitted. And, no wildcat cartridges will be allowed (at least for now) in order to keep the playing field level. Also, no bullets cored with anything other than lead will be allowed. This is a SAFETY issue for people in the pits and there will be no exceptions.


The white dots in the distance are the 600 yard targets
Flashhiders and Suppressors are fine, but muzzle brakes will be restricted due to interaction with other shooters close to you on the line. Anyone who has ever been next to someone firing a high-power rifle with a muzzle brake can appreciate this restriction. At Zia, John will try and accommodate those with brakes by putting them on the end of the line, but if it becomes a burden for other shooters, their use will be re-evaluated.



The above pictures illustrate a typical setup optimized for F-AR15. In the AR15 picture, the for end is free-floated with the bipod attached. If the for end was still connected to the bore, as in the standard AR design, you would have accuracy issues as the load changed on the bipod. And, one can see the necessity for having a rear bag tall enough for magazine clearance.

It is desirable to have an adjustable buttstock. The LOP needed when using a highly magnified optic changes with your position: off hand, kneeling and prone. If you use a fixed stock, you may wish to optimize the scope eye relief for that position. The rear bag pictured is about as high end as it gets, Edgewood Leather. But, we need to emphasize that, as you will need a bag height that works with your magazine and bipod height.



The Scope Setup picture above illustrates the scope/rail configuration. Again, high end but the point is you will need an extended rail to put the scope eye relief where it is needed for prone shooting. You will also need to address the internal elevation range on your scope. Not all scopes will get the job done. The scope pictured (Nightforce NXS), has 100 MOA of vertical adjustment and a 20 MOA tilted rail was not needed. However, with a 1” scope, you will most likely require the 20 MOA tilted rail.



The final picture illustrates the bipod attachment. Any prone sized bipod from the Harris type on up to the Sinclair F-Class bipod will work. However, think ahead as to how you will attach your bipod to your for end. A GG&G bipod is pictured and is attached to the 1913 rail. It is a very secure and stable attachment. Note that the gasblock is covered. The reason for this is Mirage. The heat from the gasblock will give false indications of mirage that is used for wind doping. Another option is an extra long sunshade or a mirage band.

Having said all of the above, the basic specifications for an F-AR15 rifle are:

1/8 or 1/7 twist barrel – 1/9 if you only want to shoot 69 grain bullets
Match type chamber specifications – without too much free-bore
Flat-top
Match-trigger
Free-float fore end
16-24 inch barrels (longer is better) – the best one tested was a 20-incher
Optical Riser/rail with 20 MOA of slope
High Quality Rifle scope (10x is about the minimum)
Solidly mounted Prone length Bipod
We expect that most AR shooters will take their existing rifles out to the range, as is, to see how they perform and THEN decide what modifications they need to make to their individual gun. The same holds true for reloads. However, to provide a starting point on reloading for this kind of shooting we provide the following suggestions:

POWDER: When it comes to powder, stick with a single-base stick, ball powder need not apply. With more than 60 years of hand-loading experience between us, we have never seen a ball powder perform as an equal to stick powder for match-grade accuracy at “longer” distances, especially in the Southwest where temperatures extremes of 40+ degree from morning to late afternoon are common. There are several good choices available from Hodgdon and IMR, and each shooter will have to determine which works best in their gun.

CASES: New Lake City brass is tends to be a bargain and of good quality, but if you decide to get really serious, you will want to use Lapua brass, which many F-Class shooters prefer. However, we expect that a lot of folks will try out their once-fired brass as they start up in this class. We have seen no real issues with fired brass, but expect to loose about 5-10% after each firing due to primer pocket issues.

BULLETS: Nosler 69s and 77s shoot well and are cost effective; however, if you want to optimize, you should consider shooting Bergers, costly yes! But they do tend to deliver. Again, what bullet you decide upon will depend upon your gun, your goals, and of course how much money you are willing to spend. The 75-77 grain bullets will always win the “wind drift game”, but not all barrels will shoot them as well as the 68-69 grain bullets.

PRIMERS: Use BR4 or 205M primers for as a starting point, though Rem 7-1/2 and Wolf SRM’s have yielded excellent results for many shooters.

The F-AR15 format provides AR-shooters an opportunity to compete with each other in a semi-formal venue, at a substantially lower cost than regular F-Class. Think of F-AR15 as is to HIGHPOWER what F-TR is to PALMA.
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#2 Post by Sandgroper »

I like the idea of a level playing field, but why stop at Bisley?

The 600m (yard) range should mean that there is more choice as far as ranges are concerned - even in this neck of the woods we have access to a 600m range - Cawdor. ;)

What about a postal competition for those that are unable to travel? Mind you, I'd need to get an AR first. :G
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#3 Post by Mike357 »

Now this is interesting. My interest in F Class was waining the more I thought about the expense and the travel. There is nothing close in Scotland i.e. no regional competition.

I am interested in ARs and a 600yd comp could be do-able and better still a postal comp. Hell, I'd even drive to Cawdor a few times a year.
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#4 Post by ovenpaa »

What a great idea, and I like the restriction of bullet weight, chamber and OAL... I think it would be a winner if it were picked up over here.
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#5 Post by ovenpaa »

I have had a bit more of a think about this...

Introduce a maximum all up weight and maximum barrel length as well and why not introduce a maximum magnification, all things to try and level the playing field and keep outlay down. We know the .223/5,56x45 is a very capable round out to 600 so shooting at half MOA V at 600 yards is certainly doable.

Great idea, I hope it happens and I hope it is locked down enough to prevent it becoming a serious arms race and the good part is you do not need the latest Gucci front rail, butt section or remote magazine release to shoot well.
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#6 Post by Sandgroper »

I've been thinking about this some more as well and maybe restricting to AR's is the wrong way to go for the UK.
My reasoning is based on the cost of an the AR platform, so why not open it to all Hybrid Straight Pulls? Sim has shown us that the Mini-14 can be made to shoot -mind you, 600m might be pushing it, even for Sim :run: I know from experiance the 223 Saigas are capable out to 600m as would be the Steyr AUG, but having said that I realise that the AR is the preferred platform in the UK.

Just a thought. ;)
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#7 Post by ovenpaa »

As much as like F Class shooting I am concerned that it has become an arms race and there is no doubt mortals with fairly average equipment can have a huge amount of fun shooting it however three hundred quids worth of Parker Hale with a 10X 'scope is going to be seriously disadvantaged against a dedicated 32" barrelled F/TR rifle shooting the latest Berger Hybrids with a 40X 'scope and two hundred quids worth of front rest. This formula could well bring back a bit of an even platform for all so a class that is restricted to .223 and further by bullet weight and chamber is a breath of fresh air as far as I am concerned and allowing other straight pull rifles in is even better.

My only concern is some AR type platforms are pushing GBP3k unscoped over here...

I can already think of a few easy tweaks to make like easier :grin:
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#8 Post by Mike357 »

Having spent some time at Lantac talking shop, I'm pretty sure that a lot of the cost of high end ARs is connected with bits that don't really affect accuracy like fore ends, billet upper and lowers and the aforementioned scopes which will be restricted.

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#9 Post by John MH »

As an AR shooter and owning several straight pulls I can tell you that there is nothing approaching a level playing field out there. Restricting such an adaptable platform is not going to get you much support as there are many improvements that can be made that are not visible to the cursory glance.

In US NRA Highpower there is a Service Rifle class that restricts ARs to a minimum 4.5 Lb trigger pull and 'Service Rifle' silhouette, so as long as it looks like an M16A2 externally then its good to go, these are mostly fitted with match barrels, triggers, butt stock and fore-end weights, free floated handguards and 1/4 x 1/4 MOA adjustable sights. That is relatively easy to do and police as if the profile isn't right its also instantly recognisable.

UK CSR has several classes that the AR platform can fall into; Service Optic, Practical Optic and Iron Sights. The main difference between the Service and Practical classes being allowable scope power, trigger weight and the use of attachments such as bipods. The most popular class for the AR platform is Service Optic but even here no two ARs are alike.

A good compromise for any budding AR F-Class shooters would be to try Highpower but use a scoped AR; this allows you to use the benefits of the magazine fed system in a competitive way with stages at 200 yards Standing Slow-Fire and Sitting-Rapid (fully utilising the magazine system), 300 yards Prone-Rapid (fully utilising the magazine system) and 600 yards Prone Slow-Fire. There are also Mid Range Matches at 300, 500 and 600 yards all Prone Slow-Fire and Long Range Matches at 800, 900 and 1000 yards all on decimal targets.
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John MH wrote:
A good compromise for any budding AR F-Class shooters would be to try Highpower but use a scoped AR; this allows you to use the benefits of the magazine fed system in a competitive way with stages at 200 yards Standing Slow-Fire and Sitting-Rapid (fully utilising the magazine system), 300 yards Prone-Rapid (fully utilising the magazine system) and 600 yards Prone Slow-Fire. There are also Mid Range Matches at 300, 500 and 600 yards all Prone Slow-Fire and Long Range Matches at 800, 900 and 1000 yards all on decimal targets.
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Genuine question - who / where is running Highpower matches in the UK?

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