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heres a picture or 2 of my new 1911,ive changed the grips,and painted the wrist bar,accuracy next with the barrell bush and the trigger needs work,but apart from that i were impressed with the accuracy,all in the 10 on a 1500 target at 25m al in the x at 15....still room for improvement...

RM, a guy has just got one in the club. I really like them. Obviously, being an LBP I can only "imagine" how they shoot as legislation prevents any of the other members from having a go........(sssshhhh!)

After all, it is a GSG!

Sim G wrote:RM, a guy has just got one in the club. I really like them. Obviously, being an LBP I can only "imagine" how they shoot as legislation prevents any of the other members from having a go........(sssshhhh!)

What legislation? Have you got a link to the info as Bnz and I have one of these and have not been told of any legislation stopping us from letting another club member having a go.

It comes down to what the club has on its Home Office approval cert. The three options are smallbore rifle, fullbore rifle and muzzle loading pistol. If your firearm is any of those then other club members can borrow them if the club is approved for them but, as you can see, long barrelled pistol doesn't come under any of them - hence why you cannot loan or borrow them.

Heather

As with S1 shotguns. Only those with the said shotgun, LBR, LBP on their certificate may use them.....

Heather has the right of it. It's not that there's a law against it as such, but LBPs just slip between the definitions of guns you can swap around at clubs.

I don't want to give you bad legal advice so this is worth what you paid for it, but I believe that if you have any land you can let others shoot your LBP there - just not at a club.

Makes me wonder why LBP and LBR makers don't make a token stock out of the counterweight arm - just enough to make it, technically, a rifle instead of a pistol. Something like what you find on East German and Romanian AK side folders:



If you had that kind of wire stock coming out of the bottom of the mainspring housing it wouldn't interfere with your grip when shooting it like a pistol, but would make it a rifle legally. The Micro Uzi and Vz. 61 stocks are also good examples.

These kind of fire arms do nothing for me. I was originally a hand gun owner shooter until the Goverment branded me a criminal and conviscated my hand guns with the threat of legal action if I did not hand them in.
When I see this sort of chop job it just makes me want to weep.Having owned and fired the real thing then having them confiscated and chopped up well no I dont think so.
Not for me but every one to there own.

Porcupine wrote:I don't want to give you bad legal advice so this is worth what you paid for it, but I believe that if you have any land you can let others shoot your LBP there - just not at a club.

When the whole "classification" argument came about a number of years ago, something along these lines was touted. Not so much about over "land" as it was unlikely that you'd be granted the condition to use a LBP over land, but within a private, non HO approved club.

Porcupine wrote: Makes me wonder why LBP and LBR makers don't make a token stock out of the counterweight arm - just enough to make it, technically, a rifle instead of a pistol. Something like what you find on East German and Romanian AK side folders:

Mateba and Alpha did. They didn't seem to be that popular and ultimately just gave you a revolving carbine.

Alpha1 wrote:These kind of fire arms do nothing for me. I was originally a hand gun owner shooter until the Goverment branded me a criminal and conviscated my hand guns with the threat of legal action if I did not hand them in.
When I see this sort of chop job it just makes me want to weep.Having owned and fired the real thing then having them confiscated and chopped up well no I dont think so.
Not for me but every one to there own.

Yep, I felt exactly the same. I tried and still have B/P revolvers, but they'd never replace cartridge. A couple of years ago on a whim, I took a LBR in part-ex on a shotgun I was selling. It was actually one of those LBR Uberti single actions with a 19" barrel! It was unusable in such a configuration, so I had the barrel cut to 12" and a rod fitted on the bottom of the grip frame. Turns out a lot more useable! So much so, I recently bought a Taurus LBR as well.....

Once you get past the Frankenstein looks of it as it sits on the bench, once you come up into the aim, you do forget about the long barrel and the rod out of the back.......... it does feel a little like the "old days" once you press the trigger.

^^I'd never buy a Taurus revolver across the pond. No interest in them, or very much in revolvers generally. But here I'm tempted to pick one up just to give two fingers to the law. Abominations they may be, but I also find it comforting that people are so ingenious and creative at defying the (spirit of) the law. Speaking of which, amusing photo article on squirming your way through The People's Republic of California's gun laws.