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http://www.ammoland.com/2011/12/14/a-po ... nder-fire/

Looked it up on Amazon.co.uk and nothing, so it has to be ordered in from the US.

Looks interesting, first aid is always worth refreshing. As an aside we both have a course booked for the end of Jan, heart/stroke first aid course.

I got a cracking DVD in the US on treating gunshot wounds...simple too understand, informative and quite gory special effects

Oh, we do like gory!


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Cat tourniquet
Israeli Dressing
Bolan Chest seal
Cellox

And the knwoledge of how to use, all life savers in the field today and all available to civi's. Check out the video's on you tube for Cellox in use awsome stuff with none of the side effects of hemcon and quick clot.

nicklm wrote:Cat tourniquet
Israeli Dressing
Bolan Chest seal
Cellox

And the knwoledge of how to use, all life savers in the field today and all available to civi's. Check out the video's on you tube for Cellox in use awsome stuff with none of the side effects of hemcon and quick clot.

Plus they are all readily available on the internet. As you say, understanding how to use them with periodic refreshers is as important as carrying them with you.

*** Warning *** Not pretty photos ***

Very interesting article on battle field trauma
http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/fmtb/FMSO%2 ... 1/ifak.doc

The biggest problem people will face though when faced with such an injury is sheer shock - lots of good people freeze and can't deal with it - it is not an easy thing for most to overcome.

Mike

The biggest problem people will face though when faced with such an injury is sheer shock

So true !!
I had once a nasty open femur fracture on a DZ during a regimental day public demo. Optimum conditions , bone sticking-out, blood as much as you like, the familly of the chap around with his children crying, hysterical wife etc ... you get the picture.
The duty doc was an "aspirant" (a recently qualified GP doing military service with the rank of Lt) was in such state of shock that he got such a shake that he could not even get the needle of his seringue in the 5mm opening of the antalgic container...

As part of being a diving instructor, I taught basic first aid and CPR courses - but when faced with actual situations, found that some of it was next to useless.

I got quite a lot of real experience while working in some fairly remote locations, as people often came to the dive shop when someone had an accident - Basic first aid for bleeding etc works well, but CPR without difibrilation isn't very effective; and definately not like the movies where people come round straight away....

...we had a guy who had just drowned brought to our boat one day, and myself and another instructor did CPR on him for 40 mins while we headed for a medical center with a di fib - It was not a pleasant experience - we couldn't get a decent seal with the pocket mask, so had to do direct mouth to mouth. He was a large man, and had had a large breakfast, so when you stopped after the in breath, you ended up with bits of sick being blown into your mouth (not something a CPR course prepares you for) - we ended up rotating the jobs, with one person doing the breaths until they were gagging, one person doing the compressions and another person holding the cup of water for the guy doing the breaths to swill his mouth out. And to compound it all, we had to do it with the mans wife and daughter looking on. Unfortunatly the man never regained conciousness.

...as for shock - I wasn't too bad; but did notice that my hand was shaking while I was checking for a pulse. I had to go back to work after, so shut it out of my mind...but if I'm being honest, I didn't sleep well for a few nights, even with a lot of drink...

So while basic courses are certainly better than nothing, I'd really like to do a proper army/paramedic type course.

Its a very well if one should have Cat Tor, Quick Clot but most will not, having a filed dressing/s (bandage with sterile pad) will surfice most wounds, dont forgot to check for a exit hole as its no good bandaging the entry and the patient bleeding out from an exit. Keep the pressure on these and if required place more on top of the first/second etc. Medical evact ASAP. Dont forget to record everything done as the Police will require the why/when/how/invovled paties.