Variation requirements

[HeatherW762]

Hi,

Just had a member ask for a copy of their shooting records as his FEO needed it to go with his variation request. Has that happened to anyone else?

Heather

[John25]

Never,

Not required by the act.

I thoght DB had retired!

[HeatherW762]

Not Surrey and could be covered - conversation already had - but would be pushing it a bit!

Heather

[Dangermouse]

Is that not the same as asking for someone to write their own references? Once the shooter has a copy they could manipulate it to show whatever they want before passing it on.
I assumed that the Police could, if not always, check with the shooting record to confirm that a person was shooting regularly, either on renewal or on request of a variation - or indeed any other time that took their fancy, assuming the shooter agreed.
Certainly whenever I ask for a variation I make comment that my shooting history can be checked on at the NSC,

DM

[HeatherW762]

As it's a jpg that's sent, unlikely, and I copy in the relevant FEO as well.

Heather

[duff eyed doyle]

Met police by any chance? had the same expierience a couple of months ago when I put in a variation for an extra rifle.

[kennyc]

Met police by any chance? had the same expierience a couple of months ago when I put in a variation for an extra rifle.

thats because they can't believe you have time to fire 1 shot from each of your rifles during the average shooting year and they are trying to catch you at it :P

[Scotsgun]

Hi,

Just had a member ask for a copy of their shooting records as his FEO needed it to go with his variation request. Has that happened to anyone else?

Heather

The FEO is pushing it and ignoring home office guidance. They are at liberty to inspect the shooting register of any registered home office club, but they cannot single an individual out nor make it a condition of any variation. If you comply then you are inviting them to enforce their own perception of what is a 'frequent' shooter and how frequent you must be in order to satisfy their perception of 'need' for each firearm.

Both BASC and the SGA are actively encouraging their members to report any unfair practices or deviation from the Home Office guidance. They are recording these in a database and actively challenging them. Why the hell aren't you? :evil:

Comply once with this unfair demand and you set a precedent. Represent your member and their interests. Contact the FEO directly, demand a reasoning for request in writing and invite him to view the booking register. It's the least that my local clubs would do and i bet he'll backtrack on his demand.

Consider the many shooters like me. I am a member of the NRA, BASC, SGA and BDS. I attend clubs and am therefore registered as shooting perhaps once a month. However i actively stalk and hunt, therefore 'shoot' 2 or 3 times a week. Firing thousands of rounds more than will ever be recorded/registered.

[ovenpaa]

Consider the many shooters like me. I am a member of the NRA, BASC, SGA and BDS. I attend clubs and am therefore registered as shooting perhaps once a month. However i actively stalk and hunt, therefore 'shoot' 2 or 3 times a week. Firing thousands of rounds more than will ever be recorded/registered.

Equally we shoot many many rounds in Denmark which would never show at our club or NRA attendances so we log them. Every round loaded and round shot goes into a log book, it means we can keep track of barrel life and justify our shooting if ever challenged.

[HeatherW762]

Hi,

Just had a member ask for a copy of their shooting records as his FEO needed it to go with his variation request. Has that happened to anyone else?

Heather

The FEO is pushing it and ignoring home office guidance. They are at liberty to inspect the shooting register of any registered home office club, but they cannot single an individual out nor make it a condition of any variation. If you comply then you are inviting them to enforce their own perception of what is a 'frequent' shooter and how frequent you must be in order to satisfy their perception of 'need' for each firearm. So I should ignore the request and risk my member not getting his variation? I don't think so.

Both BASC and the SGA are actively encouraging their members to report any unfair practices or deviation from the Home Office guidance. They are recording these in a database and actively challenging them. Why the hell aren't you? :evil: We are - why do you think I'm asking for info here? Today was the first we had heard of it, Iain is already involved - I think that is fairly fast!

Comply once with this unfair demand and you set a precedent. Represent your member and their interests. Contact the FEO directly, demand a reasoning for request in writing and invite him to view the booking register. It's the least that my local clubs would do and i bet he'll backtrack on his demand. Personally I'm not into demanding stuff, I prefer to ask nicely - it tends to get a better response. The member in question isn't bothered about it, especially as he has plenty of entries on his record. Iain and I have a plan of action!

Consider the many shooters like me. I am a member of the NRA, BASC, SGA and BDS. I attend clubs and am therefore registered as shooting perhaps once a month. However i actively stalk and hunt, therefore 'shoot' 2 or 3 times a week. Firing thousands of rounds more than will ever be recorded/registered.