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Hello all,

I've been trying without success to order a Holosun AEMS red dot sight from ANYWHERE. The only place i've found them in stock is Holosun.eu based in Germany which now kindly doesn't ship to the UK (I've ordered from them twice before so presumably they just can't be bothered to do the post Brexit paperwork).

ANYWAY, I have a friend who lives in Germany who is willing to let me order the sight to him and then him send it on to me. My question is; is anyone aware of any legal restrictions on him either posting it to me or bringing it over with him next time he's in the country (i'm thinking about things like the ridiculous ITAR laws with US imports etc).

Any info from anyone in the know would be appreciated

ITAR could be a prioblem , but forget about that for now .

If your friend in Germany buys it , he will pay German VAT .

If he posts it to you , Royal Mail will charge you UK VAT , maybe UK Duty , and a handling fee by RM/Parcelforce , etc .

If he were to bring it with him on a visit to you , all he has to worry about is German Customs and UK Customs .

Any use here???
https://www.tactical-kit.co.uk/holosun-optics-402-c.asp

That's a cracking avatar Graham

ITAR only applies to goods exiting the USA so it's not applicable in this case.

If he's flying in his allowance for goods is £390,

https://www.gov.uk/bringing-goods-into- ... at-Britain

Chuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:04 pm That's a cracking avatar Graham

Cheers Chuck

phaedra1106 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:53 pm ITAR only applies to goods exiting the USA so it's not applicable in this case.

If he's flying in his allowance for goods is £390,

https://www.gov.uk/bringing-goods-into- ... at-Britain

If the goods are covered by ITAR and the export paperworks says destination country "Germany" or even "EU" , they cant be reexported to another country without US permission .

I take it this is no good then???
https://www.tactical-kit.co.uk/holosun-optics-402-c.asp

MistAgain wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:40 pmIf the goods are covered by ITAR and the export paperworks says destination country "Germany" or even "EU" , they cant be reexported to another country without US permission .

They aren't being exported again, once bought by someone in the host country that person is free to do whatever they want with them.

phaedra1106 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:43 am

MistAgain wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:40 pmIf the goods are covered by ITAR and the export paperworks says destination country "Germany" or even "EU" , they cant be reexported to another country without US permission .

They aren't being exported again, once bought by someone in the host country that person is free to do whatever they want with them.

That goes against everything ITAR stands for.

The spams can send inspectors to check exactly where IT as controlled items are. We, that is to say the MoD, couldn't sell on ITAR kit without the appropriate ITAR licenses in place with the receiving buyer, despite us having a license when we bought it off the yanks. It doesn't mean ITAR no longer applies just because it's left the US. I know quite a few Aussies who lost their jobs in a foreign country because Australia didn't have the appropriate ITAR licenses for the kit they would have been working on. The host country, which did have the licenses, we're fined and had to bin them from that role.

Even kit (or data) that has never been in the US, but is for or contains technology that was developed for a US military contract can be subject to ITAR.